Guest guest Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hi - I am a pediatric OT ~ as well as a mom on this journey with my 2 year old son (we are in OT and Speech and neuro and such!) I have quite a few suggestions and would be happy to chat or just send a few ideas - either way! Initially - aside from how old is your son - my thoughts were first, have him do LOTS of upper extremity weight bearing tasks... wheelbarrow walking, crawling, bearwalking, scooter board from prone on tummy, rolling over a large ball, etc. Any opportunity to play on all fours and just putting weight on his hands will help strengthen the shoulder girdle as well as help build the arches of the hands, which are needed to help grade movement and force (as they get older.) The hands, way down on the end of the arm, need a great deal of support from the shoulder girdle, at the top of the arm, in order to be more efficient and skilled. You could also try taping the coloring sheets, or whatever you are working on, in a vertical plane (on the wall or an easel.) Crayola makes such great products - you could get window markers and have him color/draw in different media (bath crayons on wall = vertical plane) You could also use the window markers on foil. I like to use an item called 'Wikki Sticks' to outline an item to be colored, so it naturally creates a barrier to remain within the lines. You can use these (wikki sticks) on the foil or windows or doors too - they are waxy, though!) Depending on his age and skill level - he could use the wikki sticks to outline or copy shapes - great work for the fingers! Crayola also makes color change markers where you could trace the outline in the 'magic' marker and he could then color with the regular markers - then he could see when he marks our of the lines as the color of the marker will change once it crosses the 'magic' line. Please know - markers, while the offer many great things, do not offer the ability to grade his movements - basically - if your pressure is firm or light - the mark is the same. I could go on and on and am happy to go on in greater detail, should you like - but those were a few ideas of the top of my head and tips of my fingers - with regard to coloring, specifically! A product called china markers are good, too - as they have a nice drag on the paper to allow him to 'feel' the coloring, as well! You can find them on amazon or any teacher store.Hope it helps and feel free to ask any further questions - I will happily help as I am able! ~ Jill To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Help with coloring Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think this is interesting as my daughter tends to scribble also. She is in her 20's now and contracted the problem (shots) at 16. She was an excellent artist and had been in advanced oil painting classes. Obviously the root cause is not tallent or ability in her case. She is clearing some with the Valtrex so maybe there is hope. From: jujugirl1971 To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:27 PM Subject: Help with coloring Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Thank you so much Jill! Those are great ideas. We do some drawing vertically, I guess I should try coloring that way. He does like to draw- coloring, not so much. I notice when he colors he just goes over and over the same area, I try to show him the entire area that should be colored. He is 6 years old, and in Kindergarten. My husband drew a few basic pictures last night, with distinctive shapes, like a simple house - square, roof- triangle and we thought we will break it down for him that way. Like color the square, now the roof, etc. I plan to buy the china markers and work vertically, plus I can use the wikki sticks. Thank you!! I may ask you more questions in the future(: > > Hi - I am a pediatric OT ~ as well as a mom on this journey with my 2 year old son (we are in OT and Speech and neuro and such!) I have quite a few suggestions and would be happy to chat or just send a few ideas - either way! Initially - aside from how old is your son - my thoughts were first, have him do LOTS of upper extremity weight bearing tasks... wheelbarrow walking, crawling, bearwalking, scooter board from prone on tummy, rolling over a large ball, etc. Any opportunity to play on all fours and just putting weight on his hands will help strengthen the shoulder girdle as well as help build the arches of the hands, which are needed to help grade movement and force (as they get older.) The hands, way down on the end of the arm, need a great deal of support from the shoulder girdle, at the top of the arm, in order to be more efficient and skilled. > > > You could also try taping the coloring sheets, or whatever you are working on, in a vertical plane (on the wall or an easel.) Crayola makes such great products - you could get window markers and have him color/draw in different media (bath crayons on wall = vertical plane) You could also use the window markers on foil. I like to use an item called 'Wikki Sticks' to outline an item to be colored, so it naturally creates a barrier to remain within the lines. You can use these (wikki sticks) on the foil or windows or doors too - they are waxy, though!) Depending on his age and skill level - he could use the wikki sticks to outline or copy shapes - great work for the fingers! Crayola also makes color change markers where you could trace the outline in the 'magic' marker and he could then color with the regular markers - then he could see when he marks our of the lines as the color of the marker will change once it crosses the 'magic' line. Please > know - markers, while the offer many great things, do not offer the ability to grade his movements - basically - if your pressure is firm or light - the mark is the same. > > > I could go on and on and am happy to go on in greater detail, should you like - but those were a few ideas of the top of my head and tips of my fingers - with regard to coloring, specifically! A product called china markers are good, too - as they have a nice drag on the paper to allow him to 'feel' the coloring, as well! You can find them on amazon or any teacher store. > > > Hope it helps and feel free to ask any further questions - I will happily help as I am able!  ~ Jill > > > > ________________________________ > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:27 PM > Subject: Help with coloring > > >  > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Using crayons and pencils is much harder in terms of producing a piece of art because there is so much less tactile and visual feedback than with paint. My suggestion is ... let him paint! Fingerpaint is a great place to start. Make the same color in different shades ... maybe he is scribbling to find a shade he particularly likes. There are fingerpaints that come in quite gooey formulations and with glitter and with scent; all good tactile stuff. Also, try using his 'scribbles' as a background and let him put 'stuff' on top such as the pre-cut foam shapes at the local craft store. This way he gets a picture with a great background and foreground that looks like stuff other kids do ... which makes parents feel better. Start with really big paint brushes and decrease the size as he goes on. My fav fine motor skill: bursting the tiny bubble-wrap bubbles. try using fingers, toothpicks, chopsticks, ... endless amusement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH, Amy > > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hi AmyWhat's Humaworm ? What's the usage ?RegardsAmitSent from BlackBerry® on AirtelSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:31:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Help with coloring One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH,Amy>> Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home?> Thank you> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It's a parasite cleanse. Best thing I ever did was treat for them with Rx and with naturals. You can email me for more information if you'd like. I don't get a chance to read this forum much anymore, but I just happened to open it today and saw the post specifically about coloring...the change was so dramatic I had to say something. I never would have guessed an underlying infection could be causing such a delay in handwriting skills, but there is no doubt that's what it was. Amy > > > > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > > Thank you > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 What age was your son. We have started klinghart protocol with our son and finally after 7 years of bio med we are getting atec drop and seeing subtle improvements. Fine motor skills are hugh problem here,glad to see that this protocol may help with this tooLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:31:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Help with coloring One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH,Amy>> Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home?> Thank you> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Anti-fungal Nizarol took my daughter from not holding a pencils to coloring and drawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 We got great gains with the product "paradex" . We stayed one mounth treating parasites with it , but a few weeks after we left it my daughter started getting worse... Could someone here advise me how long could be with this king of treatments ??Thanks IsabelEnviado desde mi BlackBerry® de VodafoneFrom: cotter.mary1@...Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:32:46 +0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Help with coloring What age was your son. We have started klinghart protocol with our son and finally after 7 years of bio med we are getting atec drop and seeing subtle improvements. Fine motor skills are hugh problem here,glad to see that this protocol may help with this tooLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:31:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Help with coloring One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH,Amy>> Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home?> Thank you> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 We do ours mon - fri and take one week/month off. I'm sure there are many protocols but I think most have break of some sort...Sent from my iPhone We got great gains with the product "paradex" . We stayed one mounth treating parasites with it , but a few weeks after we left it my daughter started getting worse... Could someone here advise me how long could be with this king of treatments ??Thanks IsabelEnviado desde mi BlackBerry® de VodafoneFrom: cotter.mary1@... Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:32:46 +0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Help with coloring What age was your son. We have started klinghart protocol with our son and finally after 7 years of bio med we are getting atec drop and seeing subtle improvements. Fine motor skills are hugh problem here,glad to see that this protocol may help with this tooLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:31:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Help with coloring One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH, Amy > > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > Thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 You need to treat for parasites for a year!!Let your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneFrom: isagargo@...Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:38:43 +0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Help with coloring We got great gains with the product "paradex" . We stayed one mounth treating parasites with it , but a few weeks after we left it my daughter started getting worse... Could someone here advise me how long could be with this king of treatments ??Thanks IsabelEnviado desde mi BlackBerry® de VodafoneFrom: cotter.mary1@...Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:32:46 +0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Help with coloring What age was your son. We have started klinghart protocol with our son and finally after 7 years of bio med we are getting atec drop and seeing subtle improvements. Fine motor skills are hugh problem here,glad to see that this protocol may help with this tooLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:31:49 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Help with coloring One round of Humaworm, my son went from not being able to hold a crayon/know how much pressure to apply, to holding crayons/pencils perfectly, coloring with multiple colors inside the lines OVERNIGHT. HTH,Amy>> Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home?> Thank you> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 He's 5. We are headed to see Dr. Simon Yu in November. He and Dr. Klinghardt understand that parasite treatment is very complex and needs higher doses and longer duration than a three day course of Alinia. Actually, all balance/coordination issues improved with parasite treatment :-) We tried all year to get improvements in handwriting and coloring but he just couldn't " get it " . Literally, overnight he picked up the crayons and started coloring like he'd been doing it for years. Not a gradual improvement as with normal development by any stretch of the imagination. Great improvements in OCD (which is pretty much what we deal with now). Congratulations, I have seen enough to know this is it for us, and I know you will get great results with Klinghardt. Amy > > > > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > > Thank you > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hi, did You see die-off?Enviado via iPadEm 11/09/2012, Ã s 19:04, "Amy" escreveu: He's 5. We are headed to see Dr. Simon Yu in November. He and Dr. Klinghardt understand that parasite treatment is very complex and needs higher doses and longer duration than a three day course of Alinia. Actually, all balance/coordination issues improved with parasite treatment :-) We tried all year to get improvements in handwriting and coloring but he just couldn't "get it". Literally, overnight he picked up the crayons and started coloring like he'd been doing it for years. Not a gradual improvement as with normal development by any stretch of the imagination. Great improvements in OCD (which is pretty much what we deal with now). Congratulations, I have seen enough to know this is it for us, and I know you will get great results with Klinghardt. Amy > > > > Hi I need suggestions to help my son with his coloring, fine motor activities. His OT says he does not like to color because his hand is weak, and his hand is weak because he does not color! Over the last 2 years, he has had some fine motor improvement, now it is just trying to motivate him. His OT says he just scribbles, and when we try and color together he is in tears after 10 minutes. He does not want to stay in the lines, he wants to color the coloring page all one color, he does not even watch what he is doing and just scribbles. Maybe it is just to important to me? He has become challenging lately, I guess that is more typical. Anyway, they use hand writing without tears at school. I wanted to ask if anyone had other suggestions for home? > > Thank you > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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