Re: Idiot gde:What antifungal & antiviral are best bets to start with + where e-buy?

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Ah, and, after how long can you generally expect an effect, physical or

behavioral?

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> Hi!

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> For downside-of-Asperger's-syndrome symptoms (fatigue, brainfog, nervosity,

repetitive behavior, sparse emotions, sparse energy connections with people and

so on), the therapy addressed by Kurtz sounds very interesting. Though,

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> What antifungal and what antivirals of those several listed would be the very

best bets?

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> I got the impression Valtrex (Valaciclovir) basically does some magic beyond

what Acyclovir does, and Famcyclovir seems peripheral also, on this forum.

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> Equally so, Diflucan (Fluconazol) has unlimited mentionings on this list,

while Lamasil and Amphotericin B are only rarely mentioned on this forum.

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> What's Your experience?

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> And, what online pharmacies do you get this from for the best price:

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> It seems Valtrex is available from $1/g and Diflucan from $12.5/g when making

substantial-enough orders. Did you find anything that compares with that?

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> Thanks!

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Ah, and, after how long can you generally expect an effect, physical or behavioral?

Typically pretty quick but can take as long as 2-3 months.

> What antifungal and what antivirals of those several listed would be the very best bets?There's no right answer here. It's what works for you that is the very best.

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> I got the impression Valtrex (Valaciclovir) basically does some magic beyond what Acyclovir does, and Famcyclovir seems peripheral also, on this forum.No magic. Valtrex and Acyclovir both work equally well on my son. Famvir didn't do much but for others it has.

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> Equally so, Diflucan (Fluconazol) has unlimited mentionings on this list, while Lamasil and Amphotericin B are only rarely mentioned on this forum.Antivirals generally require systemic antifungals. Lamasil and Amp B aren't systemic. Some use them anyway with varying degrees of success.

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> And, what online pharmacies do you get this from for the best price:It's typically covered by insurance and Rx only, so whatever your copay is. It's also typically covered by medicare. But you would need a doctor. If you let us know your general vicinity and how far you're willing to travel, we might be able to help you find a doctor that could possibly help. Most won't take any insurance but there are a few in certain places.

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> It seems Valtrex is available from $1/g and Diflucan from $12.5/g when making substantial-enough orders. Did you find anything that compares with that?You'd be getting it outside of the country(US) and without an Rx so the only people that will be able to answer that are people that are getting it out of the country, too. I know we have a few Europeans that do but I don't know how much attention they pay to the list. I would recommend that if you do find someone, the discussion move off-list, though. Because it's not available in the US without an Rx, I don't really know what the legalities of discussing it here are (since the owner and the moderators are all US residents). I certainly don't want to put the list or ourselves in any kind of legal jeopardy. I'm okay with people that want to discuss it finding each other here, but I would prefer the discussion happened off-list.

Click the link. Most of your questions are answered there. Except the online pharmacies thing.

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Hi Ceryl!

What do you mean by systemic antifungal?

That it crosses the BBB? I mean, Lamasil and Amp B is absorbed to the blood so

in that sense they're system right (though obviously you imply that another

sense of systemic-ness is key here)

In case one wants to try sth else than Diflucan, what would the best next

option(s) be?

(As for Valtrex I understand it's Acyclovir and after that Famcyclovir)

> Antivirals generally require systemic antifungals.

For what - to have the desired effect/to actually do its job, or to not stir up

yeast while on the antiviral?

Regarding online pharmacy I found $0.72/g Valacyclovir and $0.75/100mg

Fluconazole, yes moving that topic off the list sounds good.

Thanks!

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> > Ah, and, after how long can you generally expect an effect, physical or

behavioral?

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> Typically pretty quick but can take as long as 2-3 months.

> >

> > > What antifungal and what antivirals of those several listed would be the

very best bets?

> >

> There's no right answer here. It's what works for you that is the very best.

> > >

> > > I got the impression Valtrex (Valaciclovir) basically does some magic

beyond what Acyclovir does, and Famcyclovir seems peripheral also, on this

forum.

> >

> No magic. Valtrex and Acyclovir both work equally well on my son. Famvir

didn't do much but for others it has.

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> > >

> > > Equally so, Diflucan (Fluconazol) has unlimited mentionings on this list,

while Lamasil and Amphotericin B are only rarely mentioned on this forum.

> >

> Antivirals generally require systemic antifungals. Lamasil and Amp B aren't

systemic. Some use them anyway with varying degrees of success.

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> > >

> > > And, what online pharmacies do you get this from for the best price:

> >

> It's typically covered by insurance and Rx only, so whatever your copay is.

It's also typically covered by medicare. But you would need a doctor. If you let

us know your general vicinity and how far you're willing to travel, we might be

able to help you find a doctor that could possibly help. Most won't take any

insurance but there are a few in certain places.

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> > >

> > > It seems Valtrex is available from $1/g and Diflucan from $12.5/g when

making substantial-enough orders. Did you find anything that compares with that?

> >

> You'd be getting it outside of the country(US) and without an Rx so the only

people that will be able to answer that are people that are getting it out of

the country, too. I know we have a few Europeans that do but I don't know how

much attention they pay to the list. I would recommend that if you do find

someone, the discussion move off-list, though. Because it's not available in the

US without an Rx, I don't really know what the legalities of discussing it here

are (since the owner and the moderators are all US residents). I certainly don't

want to put the list or ourselves in any kind of legal jeopardy. I'm okay with

people that want to discuss it finding each other here, but I would prefer the

discussion happened off-list.

>

> Click the link. Most of your questions are answered there. Except the online

pharmacies thing.

>

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Hi Ceryl!

What do you mean by systemic antifungal?

That it crosses the BBB? I mean, Lamasil and Amp B is absorbed to the blood so in that sense they're system right (though obviously you imply that another sense of systemic-ness is key here)Systemic antifungals are antifungals that kill all fungus in the body's system. Unless you are receiving IV Amp B, it is non-systemic, meaning it only kills what it comes in contact with. Oral amp b is not recommended for systemic infections. Lamisil is not approved for anything other than topical use in the US so that's probably why you don't hear anything about it. But maybe others outside of the UK will chime in with their experience with it, if any.

In case one wants to try sth else than Diflucan, what would the best next option(s) be?Nizoral

(As for Valtrex I understand it's Acyclovir and after that Famcyclovir)No, Valtrex is Valcyclovir. Acyclovir is generic for Zovirax and Famcyclovir is Famvir. At least, that's what I think you're saying. Gancyclovir is inappropriate for children because of the risk in taking it so we don't discuss it much here looking into it might not be a bad idea for you. As an adult, you might be interested in learning about it and deciding if it's worth it for you to speak with your practitioner. HHV-6 Foundation has a bunch of info on it.

> Antivirals generally require systemic antifungals.

For what - to have the desired effect/to actually do its job, or to not stir up yeast while on the antiviral?If you read the link in my signature, it explains why yeast is an issue with antivirals. Essentially, antivirals switch the immune system's focusj from TH1 to TH2 (or maybe it's vice versa, I always have to check my own site to double check. LOL).Another option to see if you think you might benefit from antivirals is to just take some Lysine for a month. Take about 3 a day. It's not replacement for a trial of antivirals but for a lot of people, they find it brings some improvement and let's them know that antivirals would be a good next step. Again, it's not foolproof. If it doesn't do anything, it doesn't mean antivirals won't, but it seems to be a good first step for most. Herpes viruses do not do well in a lysine rich environment, they prefer arginine. Throw off the balance by adding more lysine and you usually get some amount of die off symptoms. Usually a cold sore pops up for a day or two and then disappears. Sometimes you get a rash but that's a bit more rare for just lysine.Hope that helps.