Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 I believe its Huggins and other's writings which I have read that says that candida/yeast are the bodies attempt at defending against yeast. ie your body creates yeast as a way of sealing off the mercury If this theory is true then trying to deal with yeast before the mercury can be devastating, I believe this is unfortunately what happened to me..much gut cleansing and antifungals/anti yeast diet before having fillings removed... I had fungal like pieces of crud coming out of me UNTIL i had my fillings out and started into the dmps/dmsa for about the first 6 weeks. this is when i experienced really bad mental and head problems due partially to candida herxing I belive (do not understand some of this so this may be really off) that yeast then tries to break down the mercury which creates the inorganic (or is it the organic) type which is more dangerous > > I've been thinking about how is it that so many of us have to struggle > with yeast when we start chelation. Cutler says that mercury impairs > neutrophils ability to kill yeast. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 > > I've been thinking about how is it that so many of us have to struggle > with yeast when we start chelation. Cutler says that mercury impairs > neutrophils ability to kill yeast. > I think it's more like mercury interferes with the production of neutrophils, and neutrophils are necessary to defend the body from bacteria and yeast. The bacteria in the normal flora seem to be more susceptible to mercury, and yeast somewhat more resistant, and yeast have a tendency to take over when bacteria are killed off. > I find this a little bit strange. In many other periods of my life my > immune system have been depressed. Now I know this was due to mercury > poisoning. However, since I started taking supplements, my immune > system improved a lot and right now I don't feel like immuno-depressed > at all... but for yeast! > What symptoms do you have that you think are yeast related? > It is weird that mercury impairs neutrophils ability to kill yeast but > *not other things*. I don't think that this was implied. Mercury toxic people tend to complain more about yeast than other things, neutrophil numbers can be low, and neutrophils are needed for defense. So it comes to my mind the possibility that > neutrophils are not killing yeast because they are programmed to do so > in the presence of mercury. > > The rationale of this is that candida are capable of methylate > mercury. This is another one of those things where the literature gets misinterpreted. Yeast doesn't methylate mercury in the human body to an extent that would be significant. Post from Andy: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/73181.html (read down part way through, Andy - " Since mammals don't methylate mercury AT ALL, and intestinal yeast does not do so to a clinically siginificant extent, you need to chelate.... " In the paper > " Transformations of inorganic mercury by Candida albicans and > Saccharomyces cerevisiae " , by > S Yannai, I Berdicevsky, and L Duek > Appl Environ Microbiol. 1991 January; 57(1): 245–247. > it is shown how candida is in fact very efficient doing that. One really needs to look at the paper and evaluate it. Were they experimenting in culture? Where the conditions relevant to conditions found in the human body? How large were the amounts of substrate used and how small were the products? > Methylmercury is very dangerous for us, because it is readily > absorbed. But maybe the methylmercury remains inside the candida and > can be excreted thereafter together with the candida itself. This is > an important point of which I am not really sure. > It's not something to be concerned about because it's not happening to any significant extent. > So it may be the case that when mercury is bouncing around, > neutrophils stop killing yeast by a natural-selection mechanism > designed to protect us from the poisoning. > No, mercury is interfering with our ability to produce neutrophils. Mercury is also killing off our normal flora. Candida (and other yeast, if it is a problem) is just an opportunist taking advantage of the situation. > I am not advocating not to deal energically with the yeast problem. I > think chelation is a very different situation from the probably > short-term exposition > for which the allowance to proliferate of yeast perhaps evolved. >If > yeast proliferate enough, it can prevent any further chelation. It would take a lot of yeast to prevent chelation. > Moreover, its side-effects are extremely debilitating. What side effects are you meaning? Often yeast gets blamed for more than it's share of problems. It is just that > I would like to understand why is it happening this yeast problem to > so many of us. > see above. And do note that many (chelating) people don't have a yeast problem. > If this theory is right, it will also explain why we will only get rid > of yeast after enough chelation has been done and why we must > constantly fight yeast along chelation. > > It would also make sense not to take products that improve neutrophils > performance to solve the yeast problem. In fact, not killing yeast > they are performing very well according to its nature. It would make > more sense to take antifungals (natural or Rx) and to try to eat > things that does not make them to proliferate too easily. What makes the most sense to me is to take lots of probiotics to displace the yeast and build up populations of beneficial organisms. The beneficial organisms will compete with the yeast once established. It also makes sense to limit sugar and starch, modify diet so that nutrients are readily absorbed and aren't hanging around to feed the yeast, and to make the diet friendly for the beneficial organisms. Taking products to improve neutrophils makes sense. Antifungals are down lower on my list because they will kill off the normal flora too, which is not what a person wants. J Neutrophils > improving stuff should be taken if one is really immuno-depressed, > i.e., one gets colds too often, etc. > > But beware, because I really know nothing about the biochemistry of > neutrophils and all this stuff and I could very easily be wrong! I > only wanted to share this ideas just in case there is someone out > there which know more than I and can confirm or reject them. > > Regards, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 > > > > I belive (do not understand some of this so this may be really off) > that yeast then tries to break down the mercury which creates the > inorganic (or is it the organic) type which is more dangerous > This is not happening in the human body. See Andy's post that I linked to in a reply to today, and search archives for other messages on the topic. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 GSE can be an antibacterial as well as antifungal. Anything can, what I meant was you don't want to take them all at one time. It's overkill. Choose one antifungal that works for you and stick with it. Using it as needed only. Nystatin kills yeast, but you need a doctor to give that too. If you can find who believes in chronic candida not limited to the privates of ones' body. Most look at you funny when you say you have yeast in your gut. Capryli acid is a good yeast killer too. Oregano oil as he said... I have a list somewhere. There are also supplements that are made to address yeast. Such as Yeast Aid. Go to any vitamin website and search.. > > > >> It would be interesting to take something that kills yeast but not > >> bacteria. I think that nystatin was one of those things. As Jada pointed > >> out, maybe garlic is not a good idea due to its antibacterial > >> properties. I wonder if GSE does have this unwanted antibacterial > >> properties. > > Oregano oil is what we use down here. > It has less die-off effects than the others (though we don't know why). > The protocol for chronicCandida is 1 capsule 3 times a day for 20 days. > (Solgar Wild Oregano) > Then a 10 day break. > The repeat this cycle x 4 times. > Make diet changes first if you are worried about die off, and you can > proceed more slowly if you wish. > > The reason for the 10 day break is that the thymol (along with phenol I > believe) that comes with it, > builds up in your live and causes problems. So you need the break. > You can take GSE during the break if you need. > > Always couple with a good probiotic. > DeanSA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 > > > Oregano oil is what we use down here. > It has less die-off effects than the others (though we don't know why). I believe it slows down phase 1 (liver detox), so maybe that is why the side effects are less. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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