Re: Mercury in red blood cell analysis

[Guest guest]

I have noticed some people report mercury on the RBC test. Why not

report the actual numbers, units and range and ask Andy about it.

>

> I have just recently had a RBC analysis done and it actually showed

> high mercury levels! I was surprised by this actually and wonder if

> any of you clever folk can answer a few questions about it?

>

> 1) I did a DMSA round (25mgs)which finished about 2 days before the

> blood test. Would this be the reason it was high?

>

> 2) Would the same thing happen if anyone did the test after a round of

> DMSA?

>

> 3) Would the same thing happen in " non mercury poisoned poeple " ?

>

> 4) How bad news is this?

>

> 5) Any other comments?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think this is very difficult to interpret, particularly if you are chelating.

Apparently, there are people with known recent exposures who have nothing in

their blood/urine and people with no clear exposure how do have something in

their blood/urine.

How high was the result?

What lab did you use? (I'm just curious since I'm looking into labs these

days.)

Dave.

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT)

I have just recently had a RBC analysis done and it actually showed

high mercury levels! I was surprised by this actually and wonder if

any of you clever folk can answer a few questions about it?

1) I did a DMSA round (25mgs)which finished about 2 days before the

blood test. Would this be the reason it was high?

2) Would the same thing happen if anyone did the test after a round of

DMSA?

3) Would the same thing happen in " non mercury poisoned poeple " ?

4) How bad news is this?

5) Any other comments?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Without ranges and such, here is what might be happening..

You did the test post round, which would show mercury in the blood

that you pulled with dmsa or that was released as a result of other

metals being pulled. This happens with blood Lead too. 2 days you'd

still be dumping from the round. Same thing would happen if you were

on a round and did the test. This is called a challenge test of sorts

and is done often. Taking a chelator and checking the blood for metals.

No it would not happen in a non mercury poisoned person, because there

would be no mercury to show up or be pulled by a chelator.

All this does is confirm you have a mercury problem. And that at some

point when you get blood levels low enough, you need ala. Obviously

your levels are too high for ala right now. Usually mercury levels are

not high in blood unless there's been recent exposure..aka a round.

>

> I have just recently had a RBC analysis done and it actually showed

> high mercury levels! I was surprised by this actually and wonder if

> any of you clever folk can answer a few questions about it?

>

> 1) I did a DMSA round (25mgs)which finished about 2 days before the

> blood test. Would this be the reason it was high?

>

> 2) Would the same thing happen if anyone did the test after a round of

> DMSA?

>

> 3) Would the same thing happen in " non mercury poisoned poeple " ?

>

> 4) How bad news is this?

>

> 5) Any other comments?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--Hi Dave

I used Genova Diagnostics in the UK (called IWDL). They have an

excelent reputation and Genova used to be called Great Smokies in the US.

- In frequent-dose-chelation , Dave - AM & FDC Posts

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> What lab did you use? (I'm just curious since I'm looking into labs

these days.)

>

> Dave.

>

> ----------

>

> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:49 pm (PDT)

>

> I have just recently had a RBC analysis done and it actually showed

> high mercury levels! I was surprised by this actually and wonder if

> any of you clever folk can answer a few questions about it?

>

> 1) I did a DMSA round (25mgs)which finished about 2 days before the

> blood test. Would this be the reason it was high?

>

> 2) Would the same thing happen if anyone did the test after a round of

> DMSA?

>

> 3) Would the same thing happen in " non mercury poisoned poeple " ?

>

> 4) How bad news is this?

>

> 5) Any other comments?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Thanks Jada - that makes sense. Kind of nice in a way to confirm

what I already knew - that I have mercury poisoning.

But still worrying for many reasons. Not least because I have been

using DMSA for well over a year and STILL can't use the ALA. :-(

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada " wrote:

>

> Without ranges and such, here is what might be happening..

> You did the test post round, which would show mercury in the blood

> that you pulled with dmsa or that was released as a result of other

> metals being pulled. This happens with blood Lead too. 2 days you'd

> still be dumping from the round. Same thing would happen if you were

> on a round and did the test. This is called a challenge test of sorts

> and is done often. Taking a chelator and checking the blood for metals.

>

> No it would not happen in a non mercury poisoned person, because there

> would be no mercury to show up or be pulled by a chelator.

>

> All this does is confirm you have a mercury problem. And that at some

> point when you get blood levels low enough, you need ala. Obviously

> your levels are too high for ala right now. Usually mercury levels are

> not high in blood unless there's been recent exposure..aka a round.

>

> >

> > I have just recently had a RBC analysis done and it actually showed

> > high mercury levels! I was surprised by this actually and wonder if

> > any of you clever folk can answer a few questions about it?

> >

> > 1) I did a DMSA round (25mgs)which finished about 2 days before the

> > blood test. Would this be the reason it was high?

> >

> > 2) Would the same thing happen if anyone did the test after a round of

> > DMSA?

> >

> > 3) Would the same thing happen in " non mercury poisoned poeple " ?

> >

> > 4) How bad news is this?

> >

> > 5) Any other comments?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't mean to sound patronizing in my explanation. I have to be

basic because I never know the level of knowledge the other person has

and want it to make sense.

I was told on this list and I think it's in Andy's book that if your

blood levels of mercury are still too high, you will have problems

with ala. I had to chelate with dmsa only for 16 months. So this is

not unusual. And I did another six months with dmsa/ala beginning at 6

mg and going up to 15mg. But now I have to drop the ala down again or

stop it altogether because I am having problems with it. I didn't

think it was affecting me but I began having all sorts of respiratory

infections, and nerve pain in my face during that time. When I checked

over my chelation journal, I see I had none of this before ala. So I

may need to go even longer with dmsa only.

This whole process can take up to five years for some of us, depending

how many years of exposure we had.

I know it's disheartening, and plain ol' stinks not to be able to use

ala like everyone else right now. I have had the same struggle. My

body is not doing things like most people. I have problems with taking

hydrocortisone for my adrenals, problems with Armour, problems with

ALA..just nothing goes like it should. The only thing working for me

is the dmsa....hang in there!

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, GSDL had a good reputation, but Genova's isn't so good any more. I think

these evaluations have to go test-by-test though. Andy has a lot of experience

in industry and has called these places and talked to the chemists to find out

exactly what their protocols are. So, I don't know about the tests for blood

toxins, though I do know that the plasma cysteine test does not look valid, in

relation to clinical response, any more.

Dave.

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:55 pm (PDT)

--Hi Dave

I used Genova Diagnostics in the UK (called IWDL). They have an

excelent reputation and Genova used to be called Great Smokies in the US.

[Guest guest]

Why can't you use ALA?

Dave.

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:56 pm (PDT)

--- Thanks Jada - that makes sense. Kind of nice in a way to confirm

what I already knew - that I have mercury poisoning.

But still worrying for many reasons. Not least because I have been

using DMSA for well over a year and STILL can't use the ALA. :-(

[Guest guest]

---I don't think you sounded patronising at all Jada - a very good

post I thought!

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada " wrote:

>

> I didn't mean to sound patronizing in my explanation. I have to be

> basic because I never know the level of knowledge the other person has

> and want it to make sense.

I like basic!! LOL

>

> I was told on this list and I think it's in Andy's book that if your

> blood levels of mercury are still too high, you will have problems

> with ala. I had to chelate with dmsa only for 16 months. So this is

> not unusual. And I did another six months with dmsa/ala beginning at

> 6mg and going up to 15mg.

> This whole process can take up to five years for some of us,

>depending how many years of exposure we had.

>

> I know it's disheartening, and plain ol' stinks not to be able to use

> ala like everyone else right now. I have had the same struggle. My

> body is not doing things like most people. I have problems with taking

> hydrocortisone for my adrenals, problems with Armour, problems with

> ALA..just nothing goes like it should. The only thing working for me

> is the dmsa....hang in there!

And I am in exactly the same situation as you - Armour didn't work,

had to take prednisolone instead of hydrocortisone, ALA made me very

sick (severe headaches and yukky feeling)even at a very low dose. Even

female hormones that I was lacking didn't work. DHEA made me worse.

Flax oil makes me worse. And so on! It sure does stink. It's good to

hear that others are having as much trouble as I am though ;-) And I

know of one other person on this list who is in the same position. I

wish the DMSA would do something for me though! It's so unfair!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Hi Dave

I can't touch the ALA without getting severe migraine like headaches.

I tried a really low dose of 8mgs or so (if I remember correctly - I

was cutting tablets into 8ths!)

And there is some doubt now about me trying ALA (at even smaller

doses!!!) because after a year of DMSA I still have a lot of mercury

floating around in my blood. It was said here that I shouldn't do ALA

until the blood levels are reduced still further.

In frequent-dose-chelation , Dave - AM & FDC Posts

wrote:

>

> Why can't you use ALA?

>

> Dave.

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> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:56 pm (PDT)

>

> --- Thanks Jada - that makes sense. Kind of nice in a way to confirm

> what I already knew - that I have mercury poisoning.

>

> But still worrying for many reasons. Not least because I have been

> using DMSA for well over a year and STILL can't use the ALA. :-(

>

>

>