Re: Vanadium, zinc and copper levels low in red blood cells

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:50 pm (PDT)

>I have just posted a question about my red blood cell analysis showing

high mercury levels. This question is about vanadium, zinc and copper.

>My vanadium was non existant. Does anyone know how important this is?

HTIp.123: The half life of V from nutr supps in the blood and urine is approx

16-24 hours. Retention in other body tissues not routinely sampled (aside from

hair) may be much longer than this.

This appears to mean that all the test shows you is that you didn't consume any

V in the last 16-24 hours.

If you have any problems with blood sugar regulation, that is an indication to

take V. In that case, you would avoid high glycemic index foods and supplement

V.

What was Ca/Mg on your hair test? That will tell you something about blood

sugar regulation.

>My zinc was low despite me taking 60mgs a day.

This is relevant. Take some more. If you have a high mercury body burden, you

should take 20mg + 1mg/lb bodyweight.

Have you shown us a hair test?

>Also my copper is high.

HTIp.115: Blood Cu lvls are actively controlled by the body for various reasons

and do not increase due to Cu tox until high tox levels are reached in other

tissues and a life threatening toxic crisis in imminent. Blood Cu levels do

however go up and down substantially in response to inflammatory processes.

Hair Cu is fairly reliable as an indicator of body copper levels but blood Cu

is irrelevant.

>My antimony and cadmium levels were almost on the high range

Irrelevant.

>and I believe this is a common finding with many people on this board? Lead

and arsenic were thankfully quite low.

That may not tell you much either.

>I would welcome any comments about these findings.

>

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TK--- do a hair elements analysis

>

> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:50 pm (PDT)

>

> >I have just posted a question about my red blood cell analysis

showing

> high mercury levels. This question is about vanadium, zinc and

copper.

>

> >My vanadium was non existant. Does anyone know how important this

is?

>

> HTIp.123: The half life of V from nutr supps in the blood and urine

is approx

> 16-24 hours. Retention in other body tissues not routinely sampled

(aside from

> hair) may be much longer than this.

>

> This appears to mean that all the test shows you is that you didn't

consume any

> V in the last 16-24 hours.

>

> If you have any problems with blood sugar regulation, that is an

indication to

> take V. In that case, you would avoid high glycemic index foods

and supplement V.

>

> What was Ca/Mg on your hair test? That will tell you something

about blood

> sugar regulation.

>

> >My zinc was low despite me taking 60mgs a day.

>

> This is relevant. Take some more. If you have a high mercury body

burden, you

> should take 20mg + 1mg/lb bodyweight.

>

> Have you shown us a hair test?

>

> >Also my copper is high.

>

> HTIp.115: Blood Cu lvls are actively controlled by the body for

various reasons

> and do not increase due to Cu tox until high tox levels are reached

in other

> tissues and a life threatening toxic crisis in imminent. Blood Cu

levels do

> however go up and down substantially in response to inflammatory

processes.

> Hair Cu is fairly reliable as an indicator of body copper levels

but blood Cu

> is irrelevant.

>

> >My antimony and cadmium levels were almost on the high range

>

> Irrelevant.

>

> >and I believe this is a common finding with many people on this

board? Lead

> and arsenic were thankfully quite low.

>

> That may not tell you much either.

>

> >I would welcome any comments about these findings.

>

> >

>

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> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:50 pm (PDT)

>

>

> >My vanadium was non existant. Does anyone know how important this is?

>

> HTIp.123: The half life of V from nutr supps in the blood and urine

is approx

> 16-24 hours. Retention in other body tissues not routinely sampled

(aside from

> hair) may be much longer than this.

>

> This appears to mean that all the test shows you is that you didn't

consume any

> V in the last 16-24 hours.

>

> If you have any problems with blood sugar regulation, that is an

indication to

> take V. In that case, you would avoid high glycemic index foods and

supplement V.

>

> What was Ca/Mg on your hair test? That will tell you something

about blood

> sugar regulation.

> Have you shown us a hair test?

Hi Dave. Yes I have posted my hair analysis over a year ago. The Ca/Mg

was 18.5 (range 4-30)

>

> >My zinc was low despite me taking 60mgs a day.

>

> This is relevant. Take some more. If you have a high mercury body

burden, you

> should take 20mg + 1mg/lb bodyweight.

Ok, I will increase this.

>

> >Also my copper is high.

>

> HTIp.115: Blood Cu lvls are actively controlled by the body for

various reasons

> and do not increase due to Cu tox until high tox levels are reached

in other

> tissues and a life threatening toxic crisis in imminent. Blood Cu

levels do

> however go up and down substantially in response to inflammatory

processes.

> Hair Cu is fairly reliable as an indicator of body copper levels but

blood Cu

> is irrelevant.

My urinary copper was very high as well as my RBC copper my hair was

normal but my mineral transport was completely deranged so that

doesn't mean anything. Are you sure this is normal/irrelevant

>

>

>

> >

>

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:58 pm (PDT)

>>>Also my copper is high.

>>HTIp.115: Blood Cu lvls are actively controlled by the body for

>>various reasons

>>and do not increase due to Cu tox until high tox levels are reached

>>in other

>>tissues and a life threatening toxic crisis in imminent. Blood Cu

>>levels do

>>however go up and down substantially in response to inflammatory

>>processes.

>>Hair Cu is fairly reliable as an indicator of body copper levels but

>>blood Cu

>>is irrelevant.

>My urinary copper was very high as well as my RBC copper my hair was

>normal but my mineral transport was completely deranged so that

>doesn't mean anything. Are you sure this is normal/irrelevant

Well, I'm <<generally>> fairly confident of Andy's viewpoint, ya. As for the

urine levels, of course this could be like zinc, and indicate that body levels

are _low_ - you see, you really don't know until you research the thing, and

every element is different. The _first_ thing you have to do is check if there

is any hope of the test having been done correctly. Was it a 24 hour

collection, and did you check that the total creatinine was correct? Andy

gives the table in the back of AI, p.176

Dave.