Re: Huge problems with supplements!

[Guest guest]

I don't claim to know much about what's causing this in you, I just felt

inclined to respond

because I can't imagine the suffering you must be going through, and I bet you'd

really

like someone to respond.

My personal recommendations:

If you haven't tried it yet:

Whole food-based vitamins (such as Standard Process) as opposed to synthetic,

lab-

created vitamins?

Prayer?

I highly recommend something called " Skilled Relaxation " for the nervous system.

I am

doing this right now (20 min., twice a day) to help me cope while I wait/suffer

waiting to

get the last of my dental issues removed. Since I can't chelate yet, and I'm

still working on

optimizing my supp. combination, this SR is helping me SOOO much. For more info,

visit

Dr. Walt Stoll's website, Askdrstoll.com (I think. Google it.) Then get his

book: " Recapture

Your Health: A Step-by-Step Program to Reverse Chronic Symptoms and Create

Lasting

Wellness " by Walt Stoll, MD, and Jann De. I'm NOT saying chelation is

not what

you need so do SR instead. I'm saying there's a very strong possibility that SR

(done

consistently over the course of months) can begin to clear away what might be

over-

accumulated effects of stress in your nervous system, allowing it to begin

resuming

normal (or as close to normal as you may be able to obtain w/mercury still in

you)

operation. For me, my solution is SR + supplements + chelation (once my dental

issues

are resolved). To get started w/SR quickly and easily, I bought a guided

imagery/Stress

Reduction CD for $0.01 on ebay. Very easy to start that way. But for results,

you MUST do

the SR for 20 min. no less than 2 times/day and not allow yourself to fall

asleep while

doing it. Get the book. Already began helping me in the first day, with

additional benefits

daily.

Best Regards!

>

> I have been chelating for two years. I stopped for 6 months, because my body

> kind of

> collapsed. I am trying out supporting my adrenals and my thyroid. But I have

> problems

> whit almost every supplement I take. Is this common during chelation?

>

> Omega 3- I get nerve-pains, my heart race, and I get nevrotic, hysteric

> Oils, in food do the same thing, omega 3 and omega 6, tried everything! I also

> react if I

> eat to much fish!

>

> E-vit, gives me the same reaction. I did tolerated it before. I react in even

> small doses.

>

> B-6 seems to make me nervous and it affect me bad mentally , gives me racing

> heart.

>

> Pregnelone-cream gives me mentally problems, like psycic problems whit

thoughts

> that

> are not " mine "

>

> calsium and magnesium make me to slow and sleepy

>

> Isocort, pain in arms and very restless

>

> HC-cream gives me a pressuse ovr mu chest, even in small doses.

>

> Tyrosin makes my brain foggy, even small doses.

>

>

>

> I do tolerate zink, c-vitamin, B 50, some calsium and magnesium, in very small

> doses.

> It seems like my nervous system is very fragile. When I try a supplement it

> affect me in a

> way that make me anxious, so I stop taking it.

>

> I have been on progesteron-cream for years, so I may be overdosed. I am going

to take

a

> test for it.( salvia )

>

> > Salvia-test Cortisol:

> >

> > 0800: 6,4 ref.3,5-27

> > 1200: 5,1 ref.no

> > 1600: 2,3 ref.no

> > 2300: 0,8 ref.0,6

>

>

> DHEA 4,7 ref. 1,9-10,3

>

>

> My bloodtest:

>

> free T4 4,7 ref. 4,0-6,8

> free T3 14,0 ref. 12,0-22,0

> TSH 2,08 ref. 0,27-4,2

> Anti TPO <10 ref. 0,34

>

>

> HDL kolesterol. 1,78 (1-2,70)

>

> B12. 991 (141-489)

>

> LDL kolesterol. 2,54 (1,5-4,8 )

>

> Triglyserider. 0,4 (0,5-2,6)

>

> Folat. 36 (9-36)

>

> Ferritin. 78 (10-167)

>

> vit D-1,25-(OH. 106 (48-160)

>

> vit D-25-OH. 60 (20-100)

>

> Selen. 1,3 (0.6-1,8 )

>

> S-Carotener. 2,95 ref. (0,14-0,96)

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply!!! You have a good heart. I will see into " SR " at

once!!

[Guest guest]

>> It seems like my nervous system is very fragile. When I try a supplement

>> it

>> affect me in a

>> way that make me anxious, so I stop taking it.

Is there perhaps a problem with your liver pathway system?

Sounds like Gilbert's to me.

Someone on this list knows about Gilberts, though I can't remember who?

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

-I did a liver detox pathways test, and it was ok.

Here it is:

The test says:

>

> " In your particular case, Phase I is normal and none of the Phase II

> pathways are underfunctioning. The following

> is a detailed description of your test results.

> For the clinician:

> Caffeine clearance is within the reference range, indicating normal

> Phase I (cytochrome P450) activity.

> None of the Phase II pathways appear to be underfunctioning. Any value

> above the reference range reflects

> upregulated activity through that pathway, likely due to genetic

> influence or substrate exposure.

>

> Continued provision

> of Phase II nutrients is recommended.

>

> The Phase I/Phase II ratio for sulfation is below the reference range.

> This is not considered to be clinically significant. "

>

>

> ---I do not understand " continued provision of phase 2 nutrients is

> recommended " . I thought my phase 1 and phase 2 was normal!

Livene

>

> Is there perhaps a problem with your liver pathway system?

> Sounds like Gilbert's to me.

> Someone on this list knows about Gilberts, though I can't remember who?

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

Livene,

I had the exact same reaction to fish oils and fish. I was able to

tolerate a product which is the precursers to the omega 3s...I could

be wrong but I still take it instead of omegas -here is a link

http://www.rockwellnutrition.net/Biotone-EFA-by-Genestra_p_94-205.html

I seem fine with this none of the other symptoms.

I can't imagine. I am personally very sensitive to supplements and

how they are packed. I can not do anything in gelatin or anything

with soy. There are a few others. I take the vit e in powder form

and take it out of the caps because I have yet to find a vit e in

caps that I did not react to.

I do okay with my multi. I take my b vitamins in tablet form. I try

to take everything in tablet form. I seem to react to the capsules.

This might not be at all your issue but I thought I would add to the

experience pot - so to speak.

Colette

react in even

> small doses.

>

> B-6 seems to make me nervous and it affect me bad mentally , gives

me racing

> heart.

>

> Pregnelone-cream gives me mentally problems, like psycic problems

whit thoughts

> that

> are not " mine "

>

> calsium and magnesium make me to slow and sleepy

>

> Isocort, pain in arms and very restless

>

> HC-cream gives me a pressuse ovr mu chest, even in small doses.

>

> Tyrosin makes my brain foggy, even small doses.

>

>

>

> I do tolerate zink, c-vitamin, B 50, some calsium and magnesium, in

very small

> doses.

> It seems like my nervous system is very fragile. When I try a

supplement it

> affect me in a

> way that make me anxious, so I stop taking it.

>

> I have been on progesteron-cream for years, so I may be overdosed.

I am going to take a

> test for it.( salvia )

>

> > Salvia-test Cortisol:

> >

> > 0800: 6,4 ref.3,5-27

> > 1200: 5,1 ref.no

> > 1600: 2,3 ref.no

> > 2300: 0,8 ref.0,6

>

>

> DHEA 4,7 ref. 1,9-10,3

>

>

> My bloodtest:

>

> free T4 4,7 ref. 4,0-6,8

> free T3 14,0 ref. 12,0-22,0

> TSH 2,08 ref. 0,27-4,2

> Anti TPO <10 ref. 0,34

>

>

> HDL kolesterol. 1,78 (1-2,70)

>

> B12. 991 (141-489)

>

> LDL kolesterol. 2,54 (1,5-4,8 )

>

> Triglyserider. 0,4 (0,5-2,6)

>

> Folat. 36 (9-36)

>

> Ferritin. 78 (10-167)

>

> vit D-1,25-(OH. 106 (48-160)

>

> vit D-25-OH. 60 (20-100)

>

> Selen. 1,3 (0.6-1,8 )

>

> S-Carotener. 2,95 ref. (0,14-0,96)

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad for all the respons! Thank you!

>

> Livene,

>

> I had the exact same reaction to fish oils and fish. I was able to

> tolerate a product which is the precursers to the omega 3s...I could

> be wrong but I still take it instead of omegas -here is a link

>

> http://www.rockwellnutrition.net/Biotone-EFA-by-Genestra_p_94-205.html

>

> I seem fine with this none of the other symptoms.

> I can't imagine. I am personally very sensitive to supplements and

> how they are packed. I can not do anything in gelatin or anything

> with soy. There are a few others. I take the vit e in powder form

> and take it out of the caps because I have yet to find a vit e in

> caps that I did not react to.

>

> I do okay with my multi. I take my b vitamins in tablet form. I try

> to take everything in tablet form. I seem to react to the capsules.

>

> This might not be at all your issue but I thought I would add to the

> experience pot - so to speak.

>

> Colette

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Livene

Don't know whether it will help your situation but I went through a

phase before I came across Andy's book (Amalgam Illness) where I was

really sensitive to just about any supplement I took. I think my body

was running on empty and was probably depleted of key nutrients, so

any supplement I added kind of kick started my body in a way that sped

up my metabolism and started to mobilise toxins. It may even provoke

die off reactions if you have some kind of low grade infection

anywhere ( gut, teeth, sinuses, etc).

Make sure you try to take ALL of the supplements Andy recommends.

Build them up 1 at a time though, ading a new one every few days to

check for sensitivities. Also I found that 100mcg of selenium 1-2

times a day, with occassional breaks, really lessened my

sensitivities. After selenium I could tolerate wearing aftershave

again, air conditioning, certain foods. I just felt more robust. Oh

yeah zinc seemed to help with that as well.

All the best.