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hi everyone,

Background...23 rounds, ALA and DMSA. Frequent dose. Getting better

slowly. A few things I have noticed. I always feel worse the first

1/2 of my cycle and feel better the second 1/2. This has been

documented for months.

Also I am tired in the afternoon. Don't seem to have much energy for

more than the basics with a little bit of work. I did an adrenal

panel two years ago and I start my day fairly normal and then plummet

through the morning to the afternoon where I am at the low end of the

range.

I am on adrenal extracts- can't do licorice. Want to try cortisol

but can't seem to get it yet...here are my test results. Any

comments or insights would be welcome.

DHEAS........9.3 .........3.0-11.0 within range for age

Cortisol am 8.9 .........2.0-11.0

noon cort 1.5 .........1.0-7.0 low end of range

dinner cort 0.6 .........0.5-3.5 low end of range

bedtime 0.7 .........0.2-1.3

Should I be pushing for cortisol? Should I continue chelating with

these results? Anybody with some experience with this?

thanks in advance

Colette

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> If you did this test 2 years ago and have thus been chelating

> since...it's likely your adrenal state has changed.

Hi Jada, thank you for your response. i wasn't clear. I have done

the salvia test recently and my results were below. Two years ago I

also did it and in the two year period my adrenal status has not

changed. Still plummeting in the morning and low for the whole day.

I am on adrenal cortex and have been for 8 months or more. 4 tabs

(165mg) throughout the day.

We can't get iscort in Canada but my understanding is that it has the

adrenal cortex and cortisol in it. My current adrenal cortex in

grandulars only. Is my understanding correct?

Chelating is

> stressful to the adrenals and this is when the true adrenal fatigue

> rears it's ugly head. 23 rounds is about when my son had to be put

on

> adrenal cortex, because his adrenal symptoms became obvious.

>

> After personally using HC and adrenal cortex..honestly..I'd try the

> natural cortex first. IF you see nothing good with it..then retest

to

> see if you really need HC. My dd's saliva was worse than this and

she

> is managing on adrenal cortex. I have been using the HC, but have

had

> issues getting the dose right, and side effects like weight gain

that

> I don't care for. Not to mention getting the stuff..it's not easy to

> convince a doctor to give it you unless you have terrible cortisol

> levels. Even then...if you're not Addison's..they don't want to give

> it, which makes " finding it on your own a hassle " . So you'd want to

be

> absolutely sure you need it.

> You can try adrenal cortex, Isocort (it's OTC too), Ashwaghanda,

> Adreset by Metagenics, CorticoB5,B6, taking b complex a few times a

> day...there are probably more things I forgot that help adrenals

> function better.

Jada, you have given me lots to think about. I do take B comples. I

haven't tried Ashwaghanda at least not without licorice...

I am having trouble getting cortisol and have concerns.

Thanks

Colette

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This information helps much more. I misunderstood your post, as the

results were two years old. Sorry.

I will assume this recent test was done while not on adrenal cortex.

Having been off of it for two weeks before testing. Your correct with

the Isocort and adrenal cortex information. It makes a world of

difference when you say your already on it. For some people, they do

need HC. On the adrenal board they would probably tell you to try to

extend your own cortisol with licorice. But I think you said you were

not able to take that.So then you'd try other herbal and vitamin

support. Any way to get a ACTH stim test? To be sure your adrenal

fatigue is not caused by pituitary?

It's probably not, or you'd have a lot of other hormone problems, but

they usually advise you rule out a pituitary problem before using HC.

Because this will tell you if you need to take it forever or just for

a while.

Are you using celtic sea salt daily too?

There is no thyroid problem right? That will cause these afternoon

crashes too and will stress the adrenals further.

For me I need a bit of HC and adrenal cortex. However, in

hindsight...I'd like to be off the HC and am working towards that so I

can get some testing done. It helps my adrenal symptoms but not my

weight! Before going on it, you have to be sure your going to be able

to get it regularly..you can't run out. It's one of those things that

needs to be weaned off of. There is always hydrocortisone cream. As in

Andy's book this can be used in place of HC pills.

wrote:

>

>

> >

> > If you did this test 2 years ago and have thus been chelating

> > since...it's likely your adrenal state has changed.

>

> Hi Jada, thank you for your response. i wasn't clear. I have done

> the salvia test recently and my results were below. Two years ago I

> also did it and in the two year period my adrenal status has not

> changed. Still plummeting in the morning and low for the whole day.

>

> I am on adrenal cortex and have been for 8 months or more. 4 tabs

> (165mg) throughout the day.

>

> We can't get iscort in Canada but my understanding is that it has the

> adrenal cortex and cortisol in it. My current adrenal cortex in

> grandulars only. Is my understanding correct?

>

>

>

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The saliva test is not accurate if your on ace. Ace will improve

adrenal function. So likely they might be a bit worse than what the

test shows.

Honestly, Isocort was not that great anyway. I tried it and I found

that I had to go back on adrenal cortex and take HC separately. But

for some..I guess it works well.

Serum Cortisol and ACTH stim test are recognized by regular doctors

for evaluating adrenals. An ND would probable accept the saliva and

maybe redo it for you without the adrenal cortex so you can get a

better picture of adrenal status.

>

> ===Thank you Jada. I am going to try and get another test. I also

> wonder about doing more saliva testing off my ACE. I see my ND next

> week and wanted to have some informtion and done some thinking about

> this issue before I saw her.

>

> Colette

>

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