after two + months on 25 mgs of ALA , have had to cut dosage

[Guest guest]

i find this very interesting, and guess its just my own personal

chelation effect due to a heavy brain/organ burden of mercury

I am at Month 8 of chelation

The last round at 25 mgs ALA before i cut back, I was having very bad

head symptoms (nuttiness, agitation, head fog, anxiety, really coudn't

think clearly) and also my thyroids and adrenals seemed to crash, so i

stopped the round and felt better literally within the day

It was like I was a new person (brain wise) after going off the ALA

round and staying on dmps (I stayed on dmps the whole off-round-ala 3

day period) as i have found like some others that adding a day or so

after the ALA completes the mop up of heavy metals that I guess ALA

digs out. In these OFF-ALA days I was able to do tasks that i had not

been able to do in years, clean; organize; work on income taxes; file

and also think stategically about a new business; was feeling

physically more energetic AND FELT VERY VERY OPTIMISTIC, WAS ALSO

FEELING MUCH MORE SOCIAL AND COMMUNICATIVE

Conundrum??

maybe my body needs a break from ALA for a longer period???

But at the same time, I know its the chelation with ALA that is

clearing my head and making these off days better

I started another round at 12.50 mgs on this past Sunday. I have been

now back on ALA for 2 days and a little head fog/groginess is creeping

back in, but it might be partly due to me sleeping in this morning and

stretching my dosing interval of ALA to 4.50 hours

Anyone else experience something like this where you had to cut ALA

dosage after being on a higher dosage for a few months??

Keep the faith everyone with this chelation, it just amazes me how

potent this ALA is and i almost want to grab it off the shelves at

Whole Foods when i think of what it can do when administered by those

with amalgams still in

[Guest guest]

i had a similiar experience as mercurybeater. ALA slowly reduces many

of my 'psychiatric' symptoms but also seems to cause other symptoms

such as fatigue, lack of motivation etc. I believe that is just

temporary however.

Its good for my head but i need more than just rational thinking

patterns

There are certain things that DMSA/DMPS can improve for me such as

motivation, drive, energy, interest in starting new projects etc.

The ALA seems to be very effective at reducing most of my psychiatric

symptoms including depression but certain symptoms of my depression

seem also be caused by blood/body mercury and not the brain itself.

These get worse with ALA chelation and better with chealtion breaks

and/or DMPS/DMSA only.

I have to agree with mercurybeater: the ALA is very potent but also

very effective(if used properly). It can definitely do things that

the DMSA/DMPS can not.

The strange thing about brain mercury is that unlike body mercury (it

can also cause psychological symptoms) it can causes symptom that you

don't notice unless you chelate the hg out.

If i would have used just DMSA/DMPS i would still have certain

psychiatric symptoms without even realising it

[Guest guest]

I find this very interesting -- brain vs. body mercury. I've only

used DMSA and ALA -- never DMPS -- and I have experienced improvement

in the psychiatric stuff. I thought only DMPS removed it from the

brain, is that not the case? Do you feel that DMSA does too? DMSA

just felt harsher to me. I prefer the ALA. But maybe that means I

need DMSA. I dunno.

The crazy thing -- fresh fruit/raw veggies (pectin) and curry, are

worse for me than either ALA or DMSA. Major major suicidal depression

from those. Of course I don't take those every three hours like I did

the ALA and DMSA so maybe that's what makes the difference.

I've noticed this summer I'm getting depressed in a way I didn't

before, just over everyone else's inability to understand Hg

toxicity, their dismissal of what I tell them about it, their

inability to understand why I'm not as social as they'd like me to

be. They take it personally and I'm so tired of explaining and

getting that skeptical look (where it would be compassion if I had

cancer instead)...I'm really becoming a recluse as a result. And I'm

reconsidering detox because I can see where I'm headed and don't want

to go there. I'm worried that ten years from now I'm going to be the

crazy person living under a bridge somewhere. I'm very independent to

start with so you throw in all that ignorance out there and it's

becoming my normal to just be separate from the world -- it's just so

much easier emotionally...and that translates to easier physically.

jen

>

> i had a similiar experience as mercurybeater. ALA slowly reduces

many

> of my 'psychiatric' symptoms but also seems to cause other symptoms

> such as fatigue, lack of motivation etc. I believe that is just

> temporary however.

>

> Its good for my head but i need more than just rational thinking

> patterns

>

> There are certain things that DMSA/DMPS can improve for me such as

> motivation, drive, energy, interest in starting new projects etc.

>

> The ALA seems to be very effective at reducing most of my

psychiatric

> symptoms including depression but certain symptoms of my depression

> seem also be caused by blood/body mercury and not the brain itself.

> These get worse with ALA chelation and better with chealtion breaks

> and/or DMPS/DMSA only.

>

> I have to agree with mercurybeater: the ALA is very potent but also

> very effective(if used properly). It can definitely do things that

> the DMSA/DMPS can not.

>

> The strange thing about brain mercury is that unlike body mercury

(it

> can also cause psychological symptoms) it can causes symptom that

you

> don't notice unless you chelate the hg out.

>

> If i would have used just DMSA/DMPS i would still have certain

> psychiatric symptoms without even realising it

>

[Guest guest]

Jen

How long have you been chelating and in particlar how long with ALA

all i can say is I think you do get through these severe head

problems with chelation. I personally think stopping chelation is

sending the wrong signal to your body brain/ as its now trying to get

these poisons out of your body/brain

However having said that (that continuing chelation is what is

needed) you do, I believe have to be very very careful with ALA. The

first few rounds with ALA (month 4) it brought back all the mental

problems (anxiety depression, isolation,etc). Also month 6-8 were a

struggle that i think I am just getting through

It is my understanding that ALA chelates a deeper level (ie organs

and Brain). There are I believe 1-2 chapters at the end of AI that

cover this.

This time last year i was suicidal. I think a lot of my problems had

to do with

A) Bad MCS (chem sensitivities solved partially through

niacinamide;;you may want to increase your dosage of this). I do not

know if you are in a large population center but i feel the

pollution makes things worse for head problems due to underlying

Phase 1 liver problems with clearing toxins

problems with sulphur food and I was on an almost pure sulfur diet

I think as Jada has recommended, adrenal support with vitamin C is

important with ALA. I believe AI says this (not 100% sure where I

have read this, maybe its on this forum)

I am in The Sf bay area and when it was 100+ here for a week or so, I

felt terrible..adrenals crashed, thyroid crashed (temps were as low

as 97) and smell/taste of pollution was in my head/face

Today at work they were tarring a building right beneath our office

window. My head problems, anxiety and face burning was right back.

So I think there are many things you can do/try to mitigate the head

problems of chelation but in my heart feel that this chelation is

finally clearing my head.

Also the veggies could be a sulphur problem. I am not sure about the

fruits.. I do know there is some type of diet that is recommended

that avoids most fruits and veggies except overly ripe bananas as

fruits and veggies have some type of thing in them that can cause

problems

Curry even though its supposed to be help slow phase 1 liver

processing also caused me problems

PS I feel for your situation with your family//friends in

understanding your predicament. In these circumstances I feel it is

better to not share what your dealing with as its not supportive. I

think we all have had to deal with this in some capacity. I have

found like you that people just do not believe what hell it is we are

all going through in chelation, so it does no one any good to share

with these indivudals...

Keep the faith and do what it is you need to do to get healthy. Then

everything else can get put back together. There is a Jewish saying

that says something to the effect of " living well/healthy is the best

revenge "

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jen "

wrote:

>

> I find this very interesting -- brain vs. body mercury. I've only

> used DMSA and ALA -- never DMPS -- and I have experienced

> improvement in the psychiatric stuff. I thought only DMPS removed

> it from the brain, is that not the case? Do you feel that DMSA

> does too? DMSA just felt harsher to me. I prefer the ALA. But\

> maybe that means I need DMSA. I dunno.

>

> The crazy thing -- fresh fruit/raw veggies (pectin) and curry, are

> worse for me than either ALA or DMSA. Major major suicidal

> depression from those. Of course I don't take those every three

> hours like I did the ALA and DMSA so maybe that's what makes the

< difference.

>

> I've noticed this summer I'm getting depressed in a way I didn't

> before, just over everyone else's inability to understand Hg

> toxicity, their dismissal of what I tell them about it, their

> inability to understand why I'm not as social as they'd like me to

> be. They take it personally and I'm so tired of explaining and

> getting that skeptical look (where it would be compassion if I had

> cancer instead)...I'm really becoming a recluse as a result. And

> I'm reconsidering detox because I can see where I'm headed and

> don't want to go there. I'm worried that ten years from now I'm

> going to be the crazy person living under a bridge somewhere. I'm

> very independent to start with so you throw in all that ignorance\

> out there and it's becoming my normal to just be separate from the

> world -- it's just so much easier emotionally...and that

> translates to easier physically.

> jen

>

>

>

> >

> > i had a similiar experience as mercurybeater. ALA slowly reduces

> many

> > of my 'psychiatric' symptoms but also seems to cause other

symptoms

> > such as fatigue, lack of motivation etc. I believe that is just

> > temporary however.

> >

> > Its good for my head but i need more than just rational thinking

> > patterns

> >

> > There are certain things that DMSA/DMPS can improve for me such

as

> > motivation, drive, energy, interest in starting new projects etc.

> >

> > The ALA seems to be very effective at reducing most of my

> psychiatric

> > symptoms including depression but certain symptoms of my

depression

> > seem also be caused by blood/body mercury and not the brain

itself.

> > These get worse with ALA chelation and better with chealtion

breaks

> > and/or DMPS/DMSA only.

> >

> > I have to agree with mercurybeater: the ALA is very potent but

also

> > very effective(if used properly). It can definitely do things

that

> > the DMSA/DMPS can not.

> >

> > The strange thing about brain mercury is that unlike body mercury

> (it

> > can also cause psychological symptoms) it can causes symptom that

> you

> > don't notice unless you chelate the hg out.

> >

> > If i would have used just DMSA/DMPS i would still have certain

> > psychiatric symptoms without even realising it

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this will sort it out: When you cook the foods on the sulphur

list do you lose their sulfur (thiol) status? I have no problems with

anything on that list if cooked. And I can eat berries (jam) that is

pectin free but regular jam sends me into major depression in nothing

flat (along with all my usual mercury symptoms -- itching on the back

of my head, insomnia, brain fog, fatigue...). So I make my own

freezer jam, pectin free, and cook up blueberries and puree for

smoothies. I can eat pretty much everything now as long as it's

cooked. Kind of funny because I had a recurring dream in college that

this guy was trying to kill my in the produce section of a

supermarket. I always wondered -- why the produce section? Finally,

this year, I figured it out.

Stopping the chelation was not a bad move for me. It was the best

decision I could have made. I had people tell me that I needed to

get the mercury out when I first discovered it -- everyone

actually: " detox, detox, detox " and I suffered so much as a result.

No one ever suggested cutting out every detoxifier for a period of

time for my body to heal and recover. That's exactly what I needed.

My body was going through enough just with the food allergies and

deficiencies. It didn't need to be dealing with detox on top of all

of that. It took me about 7 years to figure out what my body needed

and I could have only done that in the (relative) absence of detox

symptoms.

I did do about 8 months total of DMSA and ALA about five years ago

but I needed a break. I had been suffering horribly for ten years

straight, never mind the years and years of depression before all

hell broke loose. I needed to learn my body's language and find out

what it needed before I hit it with more stress. I learned how

desperate it was for the 7-keto dhea and the high doses of iron. I

learned how to treat myself for food allergies, eliminate them, and

was able to clear most of those out before proceeding. I learned that

my adrenals needed support. I learned which organs were struggling

and gave them the proper herbal support. I was much healthier than

the average person as a result. Able to work out again, bike 20

miles 3x a week. No more PMS, no mercury symptoms at all, as long as

I did everything right. I put on 15 lbs. I was able to work and

support myself and finally rejoin the world for the first time in

over a decade.

Heading out on the road presented new challenges though. I pushed

myself very hard this spring, and given studies I've read about the

amount of time it takes intracellular magnesium levels to recover

after strenuous exercise (3 months, still not back to normal after a

very strenuous hike) it makes sense that I'm such a wreck this

summer.

I don't know why no one recommends cutting out all detoxifying foods

for a period of time for people in crisis. You *can* lock the

mercury in place for the most part why you address the rest and

rebuild. For all I know, I could do that the rest of my life. But I

want more for my life, want to do more biking, don't want to spin

into a suicidal depression every time I drop a ball. I don't want to

sleep away every summer.

I have done a lot of research into what brands of Chinese herbs are

safe and which are not. I've been taking several formulas for years

now and don't know how I would function without them. They've done

nothing but strengthen me, from the inside out.

I'm presently taking, for anyone interested:

Bu zhong yi qi wan

Xiao Yao Wan

Red Root tincture

Cordyceps

Rehmannia Endurance

I would not give any one of these up for anything.

Now that I'm on wheels, I'm avoiding all the polluted areas. I'm

presently staying on a Lake in Northern MN. Having had MCS ten years

ago, I want no part of any place with poor air quality anymore.

j.

> > >

> > > i had a similiar experience as mercurybeater. ALA slowly

reduces

> > many

> > > of my 'psychiatric' symptoms but also seems to cause other

> symptoms

> > > such as fatigue, lack of motivation etc. I believe that is just

> > > temporary however.

> > >

> > > Its good for my head but i need more than just rational

thinking

> > > patterns

> > >

> > > There are certain things that DMSA/DMPS can improve for me such

> as

> > > motivation, drive, energy, interest in starting new projects

etc.

> > >

> > > The ALA seems to be very effective at reducing most of my

> > psychiatric

> > > symptoms including depression but certain symptoms of my

> depression

> > > seem also be caused by blood/body mercury and not the brain

> itself.

> > > These get worse with ALA chelation and better with chealtion

> breaks

> > > and/or DMPS/DMSA only.

> > >

> > > I have to agree with mercurybeater: the ALA is very potent but

> also

> > > very effective(if used properly). It can definitely do things

> that

> > > the DMSA/DMPS can not.

> > >

> > > The strange thing about brain mercury is that unlike body

mercury

> > (it

> > > can also cause psychological symptoms) it can causes symptom

that

> > you

> > > don't notice unless you chelate the hg out.

> > >

> > > If i would have used just DMSA/DMPS i would still have certain

> > > psychiatric symptoms without even realising it

> > >

> >

>