Re: Thyroid TSH, fT4 and fT3 tests !!Andy!!

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Thanks for your replies,

I checked with the Lab which did the test and Andy is right they

confirmed that their ref range is for anyone over 6 months old( you

could be 5 or 105 yrs old same ref range).

I was advised to have the test done on a previous post as his

K/Ca is 1.84,

also Andy stresses the importance of Free T3's in developing children

in his books.

Andy, how would you recommend pushing up his fT3,s?

He is diagnosed Autistic(late on-set) but is quite verbal although

his language is delayed and a bit disordered and has learning

difficulties, he has been and still is fully toilet trained from age

2 1/2 but has behaviour issues is quite hyper, anxious and stress

intolerant the smallest thing can set him off but fortunately he

usually sleeps quite well at night.

Would pushing up his fT3's be recommended, I would'nt mind giving it

a go if it is relatively safe, of course everything carries risks.

Many Thanks

Kenny

> >

> > Hi All

> > I have just received my 5 yr old son's Tommy above tests and

would be

> > grateful for any help regards of what they may mean.

> > They are as follows:

> >

> > TSH 0.7 mU/L (0.40 - 4.00)

> > fT4 13 pmol/L (10 - 20)

> > fT3 6.9pmol/L (2.8 - 6.8)

> >

> > His hair tests are No. 181

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kenny

> >

>

> Free T3 is quite different for adults and children, they should be

using an age dependent

> normal range (which most labs don't and few doctors remember to

check).

>

> The appropriate normal range for a child under 8 is about 3.8 to

10.4 in these units.

>

> Thus he is not high in free T3, he is pretty much midrange -

actually a bit below it - and if

> you have some reasonable reason to push it up somewhat that would

not only be fine but

> would leave him within legitimate normal limits for age.

>

> Whether to try to push free T3 up for a while to foster catch up

neurological development

> or not would depend on lots of details not availalbe from lab tests-

but these test results

> do suggest it would be something you could do if it was relevant to

your son's situation.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

> Andy, how would you recommend pushing up his fT3,s?

Giving him T3, which in the US anyway does require an Rx. A lot of the rest of

the world is

more sane aboiut that.

E. g. cytomel 5 mcg, or if it is compounded, you use 25-50 mcg a day.

> He is diagnosed Autistic(late on-set) but is quite verbal although

> his language is delayed and a bit disordered and has learning

> difficulties, he has been and still is fully toilet trained from age

> 2 1/2 but has behaviour issues is quite hyper, anxious and stress

> intolerant the smallest thing can set him off but fortunately he

> usually sleeps quite well at night.

>

> Would pushing up his fT3's be recommended,

Yes.

>I would'nt mind giving it

> a go if it is relatively safe, of course everything carries risks.

>

> Many Thanks

> Kenny

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > Andy, how would you recommend pushing up his fT3,s?

>

> Giving him T3, which in the US anyway does require an Rx. A lot of

the rest of the world is

> more sane aboiut that.

>

> E. g. cytomel 5 mcg, or if it is compounded, you use 25-50 mcg a

day.

>

> > He is diagnosed Autistic(late on-set) but is quite verbal

although

> > his language is delayed and a bit disordered and has learning

> > difficulties, he has been and still is fully toilet trained from

age

> > 2 1/2 but has behaviour issues is quite hyper, anxious and stress

> > intolerant the smallest thing can set him off but fortunately he

> > usually sleeps quite well at night.

> >

> > Would pushing up his fT3's be recommended,

>

> Yes.

>

> >I would'nt mind giving it

> > a go if it is relatively safe, of course everything carries risks.

> >

> > Many Thanks

> > Kenny

> >

Thank you for your reply it is greatly appreciated your quick

conversion of the measurements and ref range was very helpful and

impressive.

I am looking in to purchasing cytomel (tertroxin) I think it's Rx

here too (Aus).

Do I need to support his adrenals 1st?

His 1st H/test Na/Mg 42:1, 2nd H/test Na/Mg 6:1

Also would it be advisable once he is taking cytomel to test his

Thyroids periodically (i.e. every 3 or 6 months)?

Would I continue with cytomel until his fT3 is in the upper range or

carry on for a few months longer, I appreciate that it might be a bit

like looking into a crystal ball and a definitive answer may be

difficult if not impossible but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Once again thank you for your time you have already been very helpful

Kenny

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenny,

just mentioning because I'm in Aus and was using Tertroxin a while ago - it is

available on prescription - you can get it under the rebate system with a

prescription, but to get the prescription the doctor needs to get a special

authorisation - which just means a phonecall where they tell the person on the

other end an acceptable reason why they are prescribing it instead of the

synthetic T4. I had a doctor who was happy with me doing my own research and

believed me when I said T4 wasn't working well enough. I'm not sure how it works

if you don't qualify for the rebate - maybe it's a bit easier.

Gail.

To: frequent-dose-chelation@...: k.ozbo@...: Tue, 19

Aug 2008 04:53:59 +0000Subject: Re: Thyroid TSH, fT4

and fT3 tests !!Andy!!

>> > Andy, how would you recommend pushing up his fT3,s?>

> Giving him T3, which in the US anyway does require an Rx. A lot of the rest of

the world is > more sane aboiut that.> > E. g. cytomel 5 mcg, or if it is

compounded, you use 25-50 mcg a day.> > > He is diagnosed Autistic(late on-set)

but is quite verbal although> > his language is delayed and a bit disordered and

has learning> > difficulties, he has been and still is fully toilet trained from

age> > 2 1/2 but has behaviour issues is quite hyper, anxious and stress> >

intolerant the smallest thing can set him off but fortunately he> > usually

sleeps quite well at night.> > > > Would pushing up his fT3's be recommended, >

> Yes.> > >I would'nt mind giving it> > a go if it is relatively safe, of course

everything carries risks.> > > > Many Thanks> > Kenny> >Thank you for your reply

it is greatly appreciated your quick conversion of the measurements and ref

range was very helpful and impressive.I am looking in to purchasing cytomel

(tertroxin) I think it's Rx here too (Aus).Do I need to support his adrenals

1st?His 1st H/test Na/Mg 42:1, 2nd H/test Na/Mg 6:1Also would it be advisable

once he is taking cytomel to test his Thyroids periodically (i.e. every 3 or 6

months)?Would I continue with cytomel until his fT3 is in the upper range or

carry on for a few months longer, I appreciate that it might be a bit like

looking into a crystal ball and a definitive answer may be difficult if not

impossible but I thought I'd ask anyway.Once again thank you for your time you

have already been very helpfulKenny>

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[Guest guest]

> I am looking in to purchasing cytomel (tertroxin) I think it's Rx

> here too (Aus).

> Do I need to support his adrenals 1st?

No, but it won't hurt. A week of adrenal cortex is adequate.

> Also would it be advisable once he is taking cytomel to test his

> Thyroids periodically (i.e. every 3 or 6 months)?

More like every year or two, but more appropriately when there are issues and

you need to

figure out if the dose needs adjustment.

> Would I continue with cytomel until his fT3 is in the upper range or

> carry on for a few months longer,

You would continue with the cytomel indefinitely, or at least for several years.

>I appreciate that it might be a bit

> like looking into a crystal ball and a definitive answer may be

> difficult if not impossible

Correct. All crystal ball work and the crystal ball isn't very clear.

> but I thought I'd ask anyway.

>

> Once again thank you for your time you have already been very helpful

>

> Kenny

>

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> >

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