Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Hey MB, When are you going on your vacation with the kids ? OD can't remember notin these days.. Love and Prayers, Peggy IPF 2004, FloridaWorry looks around, Sorry looks back, Faith looks up. Adrienne, Believe me I understand why one would be confused with all the different jargon surrounding supplementary oxygen. The letters with reference to oxygen tanks only denote the size of the tank. A C tank is relatively small, about a foot tall, roughly 3 or 4 inches in diameter and weighs about 4 pounds if I remember correctly. An E tank is about 3 feet tall and about 5 inches in diameter and weighs 12 or 13 pounds. A D tank is in the middle between those two. Obviously the larger the tank the more oxygen it holds and the longer it lasts. I use tanks when I'm away from home. An E tank will generally last a full 8 hour day of being out. My liter flow varies from off if I'm just sitting and driving to 6 if I'm walking across a parking lot. If I'm traveling, I generally take tanks with me in the trunk of my car. Who told you that you can't put tanks in your car? I do it literally every single day. I also swim with oxygen, I put 25 or 50 feet of tubing on my tank, get in the pool and swim. You can however continue to use liquid and last more than 4 hours. It sounds like you may need a Helios Marathon which holds more oxygen and will last considerably longer. You can also get a smaller resevoir to fit in your car so that you can refill your Helios while you are away from home on an overnight trip. I would suggest something Bruce often suggests. Make an appointment to meet with the manager of your O2 supplier. Have them show you and demonstrate the various options. This will go a long way towards helping you understand all this stuff. BethModeratorFibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 From: Adrienne Bishop <eggie5909 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:10:27 PMSubject: Oxygen Tanks Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. Thanks, AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Adrienne First, as to your Helios. I'm assuming by the time you're talking about you're referring to a Helios Plus, or as I call it the toy. A Helios Marathon would double your range over it. Then there are other things you can do as well. As to the types of tanks for gaseous oxygen, here is a page showing the cylinders. http://www.tri-medinc.com/TM/page12.html > > Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. > Thanks, > AB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 ne - The B, C, D and E refer to tank sizes. The E is the biggest one that I know of, it is the one they usually have in the doctor's office that you pull down the hall with you when they do the test to find out how many liters you need. The B is the size that is closest to the helios. I have a D size and a C on order. Depending on how many liters you use and whether or not you can use the pulse, the tank(s) will last for different lengths of time, the E being the longest and the B being the shortest. If you " google " oxygen tank sizes, you may get more information. I also have an ifill at home which enables me to fill my own tanks. It depends on what you need and how often. I have only used oxygen at a pool, in a controlled environment. Have no idea if you would attempt it at a lake or ocean setting. Can't get the cannula submerged. Hope I was of some help. Stefani ILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 > > Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. > Thanks, > AB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Hi Stefani, Thank you for the information. It helped me understand a little better. I used to have a concentrator that allowed me to fill a tank, but it took forever and then only gave me an hour of use at 2liters. I guess I'll continue to do research as you suggested on Google. Adrienne Subject: Re: Oxygen TanksTo: Breathe-Support Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:02 AM ne -The B, C, D and E refer to tank sizes. The E is the biggest one that I know of, it is the one they usually have in the doctor's office that you pull down the hall with you when they do the test to find out how many liters you need. The B is the size that is closest to the helios. I have a D size and a C on order. Depending on how many liters you use and whether or not you can use the pulse, the tank(s) will last for different lengths of time, the E being the longest and the B being the shortest. If you "google" oxygen tank sizes, you may get more information. I also have an ifill at home which enables me to fill my own tanks. It depends on what you need and how often. I have only used oxygen at a pool, in a controlled environment. Have no idea if you would attempt it at a lake or ocean setting. Can't get the cannula submerged. Hope I was of some help.StefaniILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009>> Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated.> Thanks,> AB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Hi Bruce and Beth, Thanks for the information. I thought what Bruce said about the Helios Plus being a toy was funny. I guess I should look into the Marathon. As for the other tanks, do you use a cart? Do you know if insurance would pay for the small resevoir and exactly how does that work. I'm sorry for all the questions. I guess I should follow Bruce's advice and contact a manager at my Oxygen company to see what options I have. Thanks again. Adrienne Subject: Re: Oxygen TanksTo: Breathe-Support Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 12:33 AM Adrienne, Believe me I understand why one would be confused with all the different jargon surrounding supplementary oxygen. The letters with reference to oxygen tanks only denote the size of the tank. A C tank is relatively small, about a foot tall, roughly 3 or 4 inches in diameter and weighs about 4 pounds if I remember correctly. An E tank is about 3 feet tall and about 5 inches in diameter and weighs 12 or 13 pounds. A D tank is in the middle between those two. Obviously the larger the tank the more oxygen it holds and the longer it lasts. I use tanks when I'm away from home. An E tank will generally last a full 8 hour day of being out. My liter flow varies from off if I'm just sitting and driving to 6 if I'm walking across a parking lot. If I'm traveling, I generally take tanks with me in the trunk of my car. Who told you that you can't put tanks in your car? I do it literally every single day. I also swim with oxygen, I put 25 or 50 feet of tubing on my tank, get in the pool and swim. You can however continue to use liquid and last more than 4 hours. It sounds like you may need a Helios Marathon which holds more oxygen and will last considerably longer. You can also get a smaller resevoir to fit in your car so that you can refill your Helios while you are away from home on an overnight trip. I would suggest something Bruce often suggests. Make an appointment to meet with the manager of your O2 supplier. Have them show you and demonstrate the various options. This will go a long way towards helping you understand all this stuff. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 From: Adrienne Bishop <eggie5909 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:10:27 PMSubject: Oxygen Tanks Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. Thanks, AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Adrienne The Helios Plus is quite adequate for many COPD patients but most PF'ers quickly outgrow it. The Marathon is still light enough for most to carry. Larger tanks get carts. As to insurance and reservoirs for vehicles, generally they don't but they pay a package price and provider may include it. Medicare pays for stationary and portable but doesn't specify what that is or how you're serviced. My provider provides the reservoir. It was part of my up front deal with them. > > > From: Beth mbmurtha@... > Subject: Re: Oxygen Tanks > To: Breathe-Support > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 12:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrienne, > Believe me I understand why one would be confused with all the different jargon surrounding supplementary oxygen. > The letters with reference to oxygen tanks only denote the size of the tank. A C tank is relatively small, about a foot tall, roughly 3 or 4 inches in diameter and weighs about 4 pounds if I remember correctly. An E tank is about 3 feet tall and about 5 inches in diameter and weighs 12 or 13 pounds. A D tank is in the middle between those two. Obviously the larger the tank the more oxygen it holds and the longer it lasts. > > I use tanks when I'm away from home. An E tank will generally last a full 8 hour day of being out. My liter flow varies from off if I'm just sitting and driving to 6 if I'm walking across a parking lot. If I'm traveling, I generally take tanks with me in the trunk of my car. Who told you that you can't put tanks in your car? I do it literally every single day. I also swim with oxygen, I put 25 or 50 feet of tubing on my tank, get in the pool and swim. > > You can however continue to use liquid and last more than 4 hours. It sounds like you may need a Helios Marathon which holds more oxygen and will last considerably longer. You can also get a smaller resevoir to fit in your car so that you can refill your Helios while you are away from home on an overnight trip. > > I would suggest something Bruce often suggests. Make an appointment to meet with the manager of your O2 supplier. Have them show you and demonstrate the various options. This will go a long way towards helping you understand all this stuff. > > Beth > Moderator > Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 > > > > > > > From: Adrienne Bishop eggie5909 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> > To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:10:27 PM > Subject: Oxygen Tanks > > > > > > Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. > Thanks, > AB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Adrienne Lincare will provide o2 at your destination when going on vacation or down the shore for a weekend. That's if they have a franchise at your destination. Pink Joyce R (IPF 3/06) IFA 5/09 Pennsylvania Donate Life Listed 1/09 Inactive 4/09 www.transplantfund.org--- Subject: Re: Oxygen TanksTo: Breathe-Support Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 6:15 PM AdrienneThe Helios Plus is quite adequate for many COPD patients but most PF'ersquickly outgrow it. The Marathon is still light enough for most tocarry.Larger tanks get carts.As to insurance and reservoirs for vehicles, generally they don't butthey pay a package price and provider may include it. Medicare pays forstationary and portable but doesn't specify what that is or how you'reserviced. My provider provides the reservoir. It was part of my up frontdeal with them.>>> Subject: Re: Oxygen Tanks> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 12:33 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrienne,> Believe me I understand why one would be confused with all thedifferent jargon surrounding supplementary oxygen.> The letters with reference to oxygen tanks only denote the size of thetank. A C tank is relatively small, about a foot tall, roughly 3 or 4inches in diameter and weighs about 4 pounds if I remember correctly. AnE tank is about 3 feet tall and about 5 inches in diameter and weighs 12or 13 pounds. A D tank is in the middle between those two. Obviouslythe larger the tank the more oxygen it holds and the longer it lasts.>> I use tanks when I'm away from home. An E tank will generally last afull 8 hour day of being out. My liter flow varies from off if I'm justsitting and driving to 6 if I'm walking across a parking lot. If I'mtraveling, I generally take tanks with me in the trunk of my car. Whotold you that you can't put tanks in your car? I do it literally everysingle day. I also swim with oxygen, I put 25 or 50 feet of tubing on mytank, get in the pool and swim.>> You can however continue to use liquid and last more than 4 hours. Itsounds like you may need a Helios Marathon which holds more oxygen andwill last considerably longer. You can also get a smaller resevoir tofit in your car so that you can refill your Helios while you are awayfrom home on an overnight trip.>> I would suggest something Bruce often suggests. Make an appointment tomeet with the manager of your O2 supplier. Have them show you anddemonstrate the various options. This will go a long way towards helpingyou understand all this stuff.>> Beth> Moderator> Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08>>>>>>> From: Adrienne Bishop eggie5909 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:10:27 PM> Subject: Oxygen Tanks>>>>>> Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I readthat people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any ofthis means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car,because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is thatI'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can onlylast 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times,overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with theiroxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help,because I'm very frustrated.> Thanks,> AB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Adrienne, I use C and E tank. The C's are fairly small and are carried in a bag. The E's fit in a cart and are pushed or pulled. Without a conserver I get around 2 hours on a c and 6 hours on an E at a setting of 2. Withe the conserver I can get 9 from a C and 28 from an E. If you can get them to give you a conserver it is wonderful to have all of that time. I was told not to put the taqnks in the trunk. You can carry them in the car though. If you want to go overnight or longer your oxygen provider should set you up wherever you want to know. I need to give them a couple of weeks notice. I am on a three week vacation now. I spent 5 days on a b oat and now I am at my daughters. I had to have special tanks for the boat but here I have the regular C and D setup. I'm not able to get online much so I am having a problem playing catchup. Someone else has probably already given you this information.Beverley Joy,71, UIP,NSIP 1-09,Diabetes,Sjogren's,Fibromyalgia Idaho--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Adrienne Bishop te:Subject: Oxygen TanksTo: Breathe-Support Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 4:10 PM Could someone explain to me the different types of Oxygen Tanks I read that people refer to (i.e. C, D, E etc). I have no idea what any of this means. I also don't understand how we can keep tanks in our car, because I was told that was not a viable option. All I do know is that I'm tired of not being able to do what I want to do because I can only last 4-5 hours on my helios. I'm used to going places for long times, overnight, whatever. I read someone even went swimming with their oxygen. What about going to the beach. Please give me some help, because I'm very frustrated. Thanks, AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Hello, I am new here but had to answer this one.. I carry my tanks in the trunk and in the back of the truck and have had no problem and no one told me not to.. I use the larger tank as I cannot last very long on the smaller one being on three liters. There is also a machine that you can put in your car that is a concentrator and it plugs into the cig lighter and also into a regular outlet. but I just take my own concentrator with the fifty foot cord and plug it into the inverter that goes into the cig lighter. That way I only have to use my tanks when we go shopping etc... I know your frustration as I went that with my provider when I was first put on as they didnt want to give me any tanks other than two small ones...the attitude was " well you have your concentrator at home with the longer canula! " I asked them what they had planned for that friday night they were going here and here and there and there and i said nope look at that box over there against the wall you cannot go any further than fifty feet in any direction from it...oohh wow did they get mad and I just looked at them and smiled as sweet as I could and said well thats what you want me to do!! they ruined several vacations so I got mad and fired them told my insurance company I wasnt using them any more and wrote out a complaint form and then went and used my savings to buy my own tank and then worked with a great company to get my oxygen and my own concentrator...I was also lucky that I had a copy of my oxygen orders and I keep a copy in the glove compartment that way if I have any problems I have the doctors orders....gee like we really want to be tied to these things... I can swim with my fifty foot chord and have had no problems ...mainly i just soak in the cool pool.. sorry I rambled on but wanted to help as much as I could.. See if your O2 provider has a rental machine you could take with you a portable concentrator that runs off the battery of the car and also household plugs and batteries...Airsep made one that I rented and it was awesome it rolled around with a battery pack not heavy at all and I could just use the one batter and carry it like a purse and then carry a few batteries to change over or could use the carrier...since then they have come out with ones that are more compact and easier to use.. do a google search or ask your provider hugs and hope this helps Merry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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