Re: Function better with less sleep?

[Guest guest]

Darren:

I know what you mean. If I take 10 mg of manganese before bed, I

wake up in 5-6 hours, feeling refreshed. Without the manganese, I

sleep for 7-9 hours and wake up tired. I think this indicates a

manganese deficiency for me (also indirectly indicated by a past

metabolic profile test).

Some warnings: Andy recommends against manganese (AI p.127 &

p.158) unless you are deficient. Also, if you take extra manganese,

then take extra zinc, too, at a different time of day.

I am now trying smaller doses (2 or 5 mg) to see if they work.

Andy says to take very little manganese, if any.

HTH

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> Does anyone else function better with less sleep?

>

> This has driven me crazy for years, this " sleep paradox. " If I get

> too little sleep (5-6 hours), I'm often so tired it is mentally

> debilitating. My only thoughts are of desiring to go to sleep, and

> it's hard to think, remember, etc. However, if I get 8-9 or more

> hours of sleep, the brain fog is almost always worse. I'm not

tired,

> but the brain fog is often so thick it's impossible to fight through

> it and function.

> (more)

[Guest guest]

> Does anyone else function better with less sleep?

ok. just guessing but less sleep is probably creating more adrenaline.

you may not be producing enough cortisol and your body only knows to

run on adrenaline which is not a good thing as you'll eventually burn

out your adrenals even more. or maybe you're producing too much

cortisol and then crashing and then producing adrenaline whch

feels " normal " to you.

you need sleep. sleep is good. if i were you i'd get an adrenal stress

index test from diagnostechs or zrt and see what your adrenals look

like.

you might only need to supplement with hydrocortisone or licorice root

at a certain times and/or maybe you'll need to suppress production

(with something like phoshatydil serine) at certain times. you need to

see when these times of day and night are for you or youcan make

matters worse.

it's just not a good idea to be fired up on adrenaline as a way of

life. chelating before you get that picture sorted out is just adding

an extra burden in my opinion.

~robin

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, .

How did you determine you are manganese deficient?

Interestingly, my hair test (#147) showed very low manganese. Of

course, given that it also showed clearly deranged mineral transport,

I'm not sure whether this reliably indicates I'm low in manganese or

not; mercury may just be messing up the excretion of manganese in the

hair.

Sounds like it might be something worth trying, though. Thanks...

Darren

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> Darren:

> I know what you mean. If I take 10 mg of manganese before bed, I

> wake up in 5-6 hours, feeling refreshed. Without the manganese, I

> sleep for 7-9 hours and wake up tired. I think this indicates a

> manganese deficiency for me (also indirectly indicated by a past

> metabolic profile test).

> Some warnings: Andy recommends against manganese (AI p.127 &

> p.158) unless you are deficient. Also, if you take extra manganese,

> then take extra zinc, too, at a different time of day.

> I am now trying smaller doses (2 or 5 mg) to see if they work.

> Andy says to take very little manganese, if any.

> HTH

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Robin.

Yeah, I've had saliva hormone testing done (ZRT labs) earlier this

year and in 2007 as well. Both times it showed abnormally HIGH

cortisol in the morning and throughout the day, then abnormally low at

night. Also LOW (age-adjusted) DHEA-S. Seems to indicate Stage 2

(maybe Stage 3) of adrenal fatigue, at least according to this

reference: http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%202.html. I think I've

been operating at Stage 2 for many years. Glad it hasn't progressed

further.

When I took time off from work last year, I spent several months

sleeping 10 hours a day, meditating, and doing relaxation techniques,

breathing techniques, focusing on restoring my adrenals and my overall

health. This was before I discovered mercury toxicity. So I think it

did some good, but it certainly didn't get me healthy. I think

chelation is the only thing that's going to get me well.

I think you're right, it's not healthy to be " running on adrenaline "

for long periods of time. I wish I knew if that was the case for me

when I get " only " 5-6 hours of sleep yet function better than with

more sleep. Not sure if that's what's happening. But I can't afford

to be out of work again, and I need to be functioning marginally well

most days to get by.

I am taking ACE (750mg/day) and DHEA (100-200mg/day) to support my

adrenal function. Unfortunately, I don't really notice any difference

from taking these two supps, but I take them anyway with the

assumption that they're probably doing some good behind the scenes.

Darren

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> > Does anyone else function better with less sleep?

>

> ok. just guessing but less sleep is probably creating more adrenaline.

> you may not be producing enough cortisol and your body only knows to

> run on adrenaline which is not a good thing as you'll eventually burn

> out your adrenals even more. or maybe you're producing too much

> cortisol and then crashing and then producing adrenaline whch

> feels " normal " to you.

>

> you need sleep. sleep is good. if i were you i'd get an adrenal stress

> index test from diagnostechs or zrt and see what your adrenals look

> like.

>

> you might only need to supplement with hydrocortisone or licorice root

> at a certain times and/or maybe you'll need to suppress production

> (with something like phoshatydil serine) at certain times. you need to

> see when these times of day and night are for you or youcan make

> matters worse.

>

> it's just not a good idea to be fired up on adrenaline as a way of

> life. chelating before you get that picture sorted out is just adding

> an extra burden in my opinion.

>

> ~robin

>

[Guest guest]

I was quite deficient in manganese.. I was having alot of pain

around my liver area and could not sleep it was so bad. Tests

showed no outward problems.. I disovered by fluke that taking

manganese helped.. I was taking three pills a day and would

sometimes need to take one in the middle of the night to be able

to sleep as the pain would return without the manganese,

Nanci

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> Some warnings: Andy recommends against manganese (AI p.127 &

> p.158) unless you are deficient.

[Guest guest]

Darren:

A few years ago my doctor ordered a urine organic acid profile by Metametrix.

Their recommendations included manganese and antioxidants.

I have also discovered that Super Oxide Dismutase (SOD) gives me more

energy--almost up to a normal level on good days! SOD is an enzyme that clears

toxic peroxides out of the mitochondria and lets them produce energy in the

cells. SOD needs manganese as a cofactor. BTW, taking plain SOD doesn't help,

but the GliSODin form works better for me.

Robin has a good point--don't overwork your adrenals.

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> How did you determine you are manganese deficient?

[Guest guest]

Does Glisodin help with sleep or it is not a good choice for people

suffering from Insomnia?

Thanks,

Sunny

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> Darren:

> A few years ago my doctor ordered a urine organic acid profile by

Metametrix. Their recommendations included manganese and antioxidants.

> I have also discovered that Super Oxide Dismutase (SOD) gives me

more energy--almost up to a normal level on good days! SOD is an

enzyme that clears toxic peroxides out of the mitochondria and lets

them produce energy in the cells. SOD needs manganese as a cofactor.

BTW, taking plain SOD doesn't help, but the GliSODin form works better

for me.

> Robin has a good point--don't overwork your adrenals.

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> > How did you determine you are manganese deficient?

>

[Guest guest]

Sunny:

Glisodin (SOD) has helped me with energy and wakefulness. It

doesn't directly affect my sleep, but to the extent that I have more

energy during the day and can be more active, that helps me sleep

better.

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> > Darren:

> > A few years ago my doctor ordered a urine organic acid profile

by

> Metametrix. Their recommendations included manganese and

antioxidants.

> > I have also discovered that Super Oxide Dismutase (SOD) gives

me

> more energy--almost up to a normal level on good days! SOD is an

> enzyme that clears toxic peroxides out of the mitochondria and lets

> them produce energy in the cells. SOD needs manganese as a cofactor.

> BTW, taking plain SOD doesn't help, but the GliSODin form works

better

> for me.

> > Robin has a good point--don't overwork your adrenals.

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> > > How did you determine you are manganese deficient?

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