Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Stefani, The only thing I could add is Belly breathing. When you inhale through your nose make it really as deep as you can so it blows out. then pursed lip exhale slowly. I have always found this to bring my sats up quickly.As time goes by you will find you just have to slow down and let things go that you normally would do. It is odd how one dayyou are able to do laundry then the next you can't walk with a basket of clothes then you can't bend over enough to loadthe washer.. I am really having a hard time lately doing anything... no fun in this. I sometimes make a game out of what will say that is totally stupid like "you really should exercise so you can build your muscles back up" As long as he has dealt with this he still doesn't GET IT.. amazing... Anyhow I am glad you are keeping a close eye on your saturation.Love and Prayers, Peggy IPF 2004, FloridaWorry looks around, Sorry looks back, Faith looks up. Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps. Stefani ILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Sher, The person or people who have told you that are just flat out wrong. Pursed lip breathing is useful to people with almost any type of lung disease. Many respiratory therapists say that pursed lip breathing is just "correct breathing technique". It is useful to anyone who needs to get their breathing into a healthy pattern when your under stress, short of breath, have low sats etc. If my sats are low the fastest way to get them back up is to do pursed lip breathing. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: Breathe-Support Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:46:42 PMSubject: Re: Breathing techniques Stef.... I've been told repeatedly that pursed lip breathing is helpful to COPD patients only. Of course breathing is breathing. But my pulmodude says the same thing. Rehab too. Heck, as long as we breathe in and breathe out it's 'helpful'. MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Breathing techniques Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps.StefaniILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Beth To expand, while all parts are important the real key to the technique is actually the exhaling. So, if you are congested and can't get a good breath in through your nose, still use the technique....even if you must breathe in through your mouth. Odd after doing it all our lives that not only do we not know how to inhale sometimes, we don't even know how to exhale fully. Seems like that would be natural. But, I know I developed very poor breathing habits. When your lungs are weak you try to compensate but do it backwards. Thats also why I do breathing exercises and use the incentive spirometer. And, its another reason aerobic exercise like the treadmill helps. We breathe better doing those. > > Sher, > The person or people who have told you that are just flat out wrong. Pursed lip breathing is useful to people with almost any type of lung disease. Many respiratory therapists say that pursed lip breathing is just " correct breathing technique " . It is useful to anyone who needs to get their breathing into a healthy pattern when your under stress, short of breath, have low sats etc. If my sats are low the fastest way to get them back up is to do pursed lip breathing. > > Beth > Moderator > Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sher Bauman bofus@... > To: Breathe-Support > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:46:42 PM > Subject: Re: Breathing techniques > > > Stef.... I've been told repeatedly that pursed lip breathing is helpful to COPD patients only. Of course breathing is breathing. But my pulmodude says the same thing. Rehab too. > Heck, as long as we breathe in and breathe out it's 'helpful'. > > MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. > Nasturtiums > Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! > > Breathing techniques > > > > > >Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing > (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps. > > > >Stefani > >ILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Bruce, Absolutely! I know that before my diagnosis I developed the habit of breathing rapidly and shallowly. So in addition to scarring in my lungs I was adding to my problems by breathing with very poor 'technique'. The respiratory therapist in the hospital worked with me on that first hospitalization. That helped and then of course when I did rehab back in NY...that was a tremendous help. In fact it was the RT's at rehab that taught me both pursed lip breathing and diaphragmatic breathing. Both are extremely useful for both obstructive and restrictive lung disease. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: Breathe-Support Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:44:22 PMSubject: Re: Breathing techniques BethTo expand, while all parts are important the real key to the techniqueis actually the exhaling. So, if you are congested and can't get a goodbreath in through your nose, still use the technique... .even if you mustbreathe in through your mouth. Odd after doing it all our lives that notonly do we not know how to inhale sometimes, we don't even know how toexhale fully. Seems like that would be natural. But, I know I developedvery poor breathing habits. When your lungs are weak you try tocompensate but do it backwards. Thats also why I do breathing exercisesand use the incentive spirometer. And, its another reason aerobicexercise like the treadmill helps. We breathe better doing those.>> Sher,> The person or people who have told you that are just flat out wrong.Pursed lip breathing is useful to people with almost any type of lungdisease. Many respiratory therapists say that pursed lip breathing isjust "correct breathing technique". It is useful to anyone who needs toget their breathing into a healthy pattern when your under stress, shortof breath, have low sats etc. If my sats are low the fastest way to getthem back up is to do pursed lip breathing.>> Beth> Moderator> Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:46:42 PM> Subject: Re: Breathing techniques>>> Stef.... I've been told repeatedly that pursed lip breathing ishelpful to COPD patients only. Of course breathing is breathing. But mypulmodude says the same thing. Rehab too.> Heck, as long as we breathe in and breathe out it's 'helpful'.>> MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR.> Nasturtiums> Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there!>> Breathing techniques> >> >> >Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and foundtechniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the bestway to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one methodthat works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other membersexperiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. Ibreathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and thenexhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and thenbreathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I dowhen I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulserate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do.Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imaginemyself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through thenose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I havealso incorporated some stretches with the breathing> (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale Ireach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursedlips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test resultsto back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation.Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice thatsitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or loungechair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps.> >> >Stefani> >ILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea4/2009> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 MB... ok then, I stand corrected. It's difficult to hear conflicting advice when both come from credible areas, isn't it. I will be more diligent about the pursed lip breathing and see if I can notice a difference. Thanks. MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Breathing techniques Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps.StefaniILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Sher, Oh I couldn't agree more. The trouble is most pulmonologists and even most respiratory therapists are geared towards dealing with COPD, asthma and emphysema patients. That's their world and that's what they know the most about. Which of course makes it that much more difficult for us as we have to check and recheck everything we are told. But truthfully? Unless I hear it from someone who deals with restrictive lung disease all the time, I take it with a grain of salt until I can check it with sources I trust. Beth Moderator Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08 To: Breathe-Support Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:11:30 PMSubject: Re: Breathing techniques MB... ok then, I stand corrected. It's difficult to hear conflicting advice when both come from credible areas, isn't it. I will be more diligent about the pursed lip breathing and see if I can notice a difference. Thanks. MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Breathing techniques Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps.StefaniILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Sher One thing I think you'll find too is that as you work with pursed lip breathing as well as other techniques, you'll find things that help. Then when you need them, you can call on them. The things I've practiced while just sitting or walking, I've been able to call upon when I found myself gasping or shorter of breath. I stopped taking deep breaths for many reasons, one being the esophagus problems I was having and a deep breath over my upper sphincter would make me cough up. Even now during a PFT I encounter that. In fact, next time I'm scheduled for them, I'm going to take something to relax my esophagus first and see if that helps me do the test. > > MB... ok then, I stand corrected. It's difficult to hear conflicting advice when both come from credible areas, isn't it. > I will be more diligent about the pursed lip breathing and see if I can notice a difference. > Thanks. > MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. > Nasturtiums > Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! > > Breathing techniques > > > > Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps. > > Stefani > ILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 MB ... It's no damn wonder why we (or at I) am so tired out. Just dealing with every day stuff and professionals and double checking every thing and trial and error for many things. And so it goes... MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. NasturtiumsDon't fret about tomorrow, God is already there! Breathing techniques Has anyone tried any variations on the pursed lip breathing and found techniques that work better? I have been experimenting to find the best way to get my oxygen sat level up when it drops. I have found one method that works well for me, but would be interested in hearing other members experiences. My best variation comes from my experiences swimming. I breathe in through my nose, hold my breath to a count of two and then exhale through pursed lips to a count of 3-6, 3-8 or 3-10 and then breathe in through my nose again to repeat. It is similar to what I do when I do a surface dive. It 'seems' to bring my sat level up and pulse rate down. I don't force anything and simply accept what I can do. Another variation comes from my experiences playing in band. I imagine myself as a trumpet / coronet player who is breathing in through the nose, but unlike Sachmo, I do not puff my cheeks as I blow out. I have also incorporated some stretches with the breathing (thinking I am giving my lungs more space to expand). On inhale I reach up or alternately off to the sides. I then exhale through pursed lips and bring my arms back in to my body. I have no group test results to back it up, but the best one for me is the surface diving variation. Has anyone else got any observations to share? I also notice that sitting up in a straight back chair is better than a sofa or lounge chair and having a fan blowing gently toward my face also helps.StefaniILD 2/2006, NSIP (cellular) 6/2009, Diabetes II 2/2006, Sleep Apnea 4/2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 different breathing techniques for different disease IPF breath through your nose, hold your breath, and breathe out through your mouth it calms you down and with us it gives the oxygen a chance to get into your blood stream FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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