Re: Re: thyroid problems - armour or T3?

[Guest guest]

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I'm glad to hear that the 's protocol has worked for you, and I do

basically understand the theory behind it. I don't know if you seen my recent

labs, but I'm wondering does this work when say the main problem is your

pituitary? And does it work with Hashi's (when you have the antibodies)?

Because in my last labs, my free T3 was very low, but my TSH was almost 0! So

if my pituitary was working right, then it should have sensed the low T3 and

sent out a bunch of TSH telling my thyroid to make more hormone. So in this

case, I don't know if " priming the pump " using the 's protocol would work.

I have sent my labs to , but haven't gotten a reply yet. And I

didn't have my antibodies tested this time, but I may ask for that at my appt on

Thursday. Maybe I should also ask for Reverse T3? Because something is

definitely out of whack!

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation mercurybeater wrote:

Val

I am not a hormonal expert but I used the temp Syndrome-WTS

protocol which worked very well for me in raising my temps (this is

how defines low thyroid)

as well, i do not know how armour is viewed in terms of being a

permament solution or if it becomes a permanent support treatment

WTS is purported to reset your thyroid and basically helps guide your

thyroid (i compare it to priming the pump) back into natural and

permanent working order which i believe it has done for me

the Process the wilson's temp syndrome protocol goes through (3 times

of " capturing your temp " --ie increasing the T3 until your average

body temp is 98.60 (staying at every incremntal dosage for 2 days;

holding this level of dosage for two days and then droping the T3

dosage at increments of 7.50 mcgs) is designed to accomplish a

permanent solution

see www.wtsmed.com

my understaning is that many experts on thyroid say blood and other

such fluid tests are very unreliable. 's theory as explained to

me by my doctor, says if your body temps are low, it is a sign

your " furnace " , ie thyroid is not operating at a high enough level

>

>

> I'm pretty sure I have thyroid problems but am not sure which I

> need - Armour or T3? Is it just trial and error? I was on Armour

> awhile ago but the doctor would only raise it a little because of

my

> TSH score. Will the canary results indicate which I need?

>

>

> Thanks,

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gail. I hadn't thought about RT3 being part of the " total T3 " that my

pituitary might be sensing, and not just my low free T3. Very good point. And

someone mentioned the possibility of lab error. I have an appt on Thursday, and

I think I will ask for RT3, antibodies, and maybe rerun the ones below, just in

case of error.

And as I said, I am awaiting a response from , but I would think

my labs would point towards using T3 only, as you suggest also. I'll keep you

guys posted.

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Gail wrote:

> Here's my current labs. They didn't test antibodies this time, but

after these results, I think I'm going to ask for them.

>

> free T3 ---- 3.42 range 3.50 - 3.90

> free T4 ---- 1.30 range .58 - 1.64

> TSH ----- almost 0 range .34 - 5.60

>

> My understanding is that if my pituitary was working right, that when

it sensed my low T3, then it should be sending out TSH to tell my

thyroid to make more thyroid hormone. Normally a low TSH would mean

*hyper* thyroid or too much hormone, and that's certainly not me! So

something is definitely whacked, and I'm not sure if it's because of the

Hashi's (thyroid antibodies), or if my pituitary is that poisoned and

not working right. I'll let you guys know what I find out.

Another possiblity is that there is more T3 around that hasn't been

measured - perhaps Reverse T3 - in this context measuring the total T3

amount might help to make more sense of what's happening. The body can't

use ReverseT3 but the pituitary reads it as T3 so the TSH will be low

and you will still be hypothyroid.

Reverse T3 is made from T4 in the liver - am not sure what triggers this

reversal, but toxicity is a good guess. If this is wht is happening, it

is counterproductive to supplement with any form of T4 because it will

just be converted into RT3 anyway. What usually helps is to supplement

with only T3 to bypass the conversion process - it takes at least a

couple of months, from what I've read on other lists, for all the body's

T4 to be used up and get rid of RT3.

Am not sure why, but often Prolactin levels are measured too - Prolactin

is made in the pituitary as well and may be out of range as well.

Gail

Gail.

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Gail. I hadn't thought about RT3 being part of the " total T3 " that

> my pituitary might be sensing, and not just my low free T3. Very good

> point. And someone mentioned the possibility of lab error. I have an

> appt on Thursday, and I think I will ask for RT3, antibodies, and maybe

> rerun the ones below, just in case of error.

>

> And as I said, I am awaiting a response from , but I would

> think my labs would point towards using T3 only, as you suggest also.

> I'll keep you guys posted.

>

> Jackie

Hi Jackie,

The crucial factor to this whole discussion is what are you average daily

temperatures?

That will tell you a lot more about how the thyroid is functioning that lab

tests (well, both are needed, but temperatures is the diagnostic factor for

whether or not you'll need the WT3 protocol).

Besides the WT3 protocol is a trial, so you'll just have to try it and see

if you respond rather than worry too much about the theory.

If it fails you can always try Armour, but again we need to know your

temperatures.

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

> Thanks Gail. I hadn't thought about RT3 being part of the " total T3 " that

> my pituitary might be sensing, and not just my low free T3. Very good

> point. And someone mentioned the possibility of lab error. I have an

> appt on Thursday, and I think I will ask for RT3, antibodies, and maybe

> rerun the ones below, just in case of error.

>

> And as I said, I am awaiting a response from , but I would

> think my labs would point towards using T3 only, as you suggest also.

> I'll keep you guys posted.

>

> Jackie

Hi Jackie,

The crucial factor to this whole discussion is what are you average daily

temperatures?

That will tell you a lot more about how the thyroid is functioning that lab

tests (well, both are needed, but temperatures is the diagnostic factor for

whether or not you'll need the WT3 protocol).

Besides the WT3 protocol is a trial, so you'll just have to try it and see

if you respond rather than worry too much about the theory.

If it fails you can always try Armour, but again we need to know your

temperatures.

Thanks,

DeanSA

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Hi Dean,

Well I must be some freak of nature because my temp has been like 99.2 the

last two days!! But I may have some slight infection or fighting a bug, because

I had diarrhea a few days ago, and the other weird thing that happened was, I

had an eye doctor appt last Wednesday, and they put the yellow drops in my eyes

to check for glaucoma/pressure, and I could feel them actually draining into my

sinuses! So my sinuses have been irritated, so maybe a slight infection there?

Anyway, I'll have to keep checking and see where they go, and you are right

Dean, that I can always try the 's protocol, and see if it works for me.

And again, I'm awaiting 's response, and I know she does do the 's

protocol, so curious if she suggests it for me also.

Thanks Dean.

Jackie