Re: On Chelex and feeling terrible!

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>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am new here and I have been trying to read all the posts and

> information but I am very ill and cannot get through but several

> articles/posts before I have to go lay down. About 3 months ago, I

> went to an alternative health care woman who did a DMSA urine

> challenge test on me. I still had all my fillings at that time.

Challenge tests are harmful and cause redistribution of mercury in

your body, especially when you still have amalgams. They don't give

any useful information.

A DDI hair test with counting rules applied is a good screening for

heavy metal problems.

She

> also tested my adrenals and thyroid which are way out of whack.

Proper treatment of the endocrine problems can make you feel better in

the near term before you get the metals out. What sort of treatment

are you doing for adrenals and thyroid?

> Recently, I got all my fillings out by a biological dentist (I had 7)

> and the day of and the day after the treatment, I have Vit. C and

> Glutathione IVs. That caused nausea and diarrhea for a couple days. I

Glutathione IVs can cause very serious, long-lasting reactions.

Sounds like you are okay this time, but it could be worse if you ever

did one again.

Vit C IVs are very helpful as long as they include no other harmful

ingredients - you have to check to be sure they don't put anything

else in there.

> then went to an " integrative medicine " M.D. who put me on Chelex (4

> x/day) and Metal Free (5 sprays/day). I have done that for about a

> week and am feeling very dizzy, tired, heavy, moody, etc. I am just

Stop taking these. They have harmful ingredients and will make you

worse. The symptoms you are experiencing are signs of redistribution

of mercury.

The only way to detox the mercury is to take appropriate chelators in

low frequent doses - ALA every 3 hours day and night, with optional

DMSA or DMPS. Products containing cilantro, chlorella, and various

other purported chelators are harmful and have no benefits.

Do you have Andy Cutler's book? It is an essential handbook for metal

toxic people. Until you can get it, read through the files and links

for more information.

> now reading that my adrenals and thyroid need support before I detox

> and am thinking that not only did I start to detox too quickly after

> amalgam removal, I am taking too much of a dosage of everything. Is

> there anywhere that I can find a comprehensive list that would

> literally lay out in steps (#1, #2, #3, etc.) of what I should be

Look for TK's general chelation suggestions in the files section. You

will also need to be on some basic supplements. For now, taking

vitamin C in divided doses throughout the day is a good idea. Also

drink water and add a bit of salt if it tastes good.

--

> doing? I would really appreciate any help you guys could give me.

> Again, it is really hard for me to read a ton of articles because if

> how badly I feel.

>

> Thank you!

>

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Welcome to the group. see comments below.

On Chelex and feeling terrible!

Hi everyone,

I am new here and I have been trying to read all the posts and

information but I am very ill and cannot get through but several

articles/posts before I have to go lay down.

---check out the Links and Files sections, as they are more organized.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/files/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/links

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

About 3 months ago, I

went to an alternative health care woman who did a DMSA urine

challenge test on me. I still had all my fillings at that time. She

also tested my adrenals and thyroid which are way out of whack.

Recently, I got all my fillings out by a biological dentist (I had 7)

and the day of and the day after the treatment, I have Vit. C and

Glutathione IVs. That caused nausea and diarrhea for a couple days. I

then went to an " integrative medicine " M.D. who put me on Chelex (4

x/day) and Metal Free (5 sprays/day).

--- Both of these contain ingredients which bind loosely to Metals and end up

redistributing them. ( ie. chlorella, garlic, ) Redistribution causes harm.

They also contain ALA which you should not take right now. (see below)

I have done that for about a

week and am feeling very dizzy, tired, heavy, moody, etc. I am just

now reading that my adrenals and thyroid need support before I detox

and am thinking that not only did I start to detox too quickly after

amalgam removal, I am taking too much of a dosage of everything. Is

there anywhere that I can find a comprehensive list that would

literally lay out in steps (#1, #2, #3, etc.) of what I should be

doing?

--- Andy's book " Amalgam Illness " lays out a basic strategy (pages 67-75). The

first step is to stabilize yourself by supporting your system with supplements.

The essential core includes B-100 x3, Vit C 1g x4, Vit E 1000 IU, Magnesium 100

mg x4, CoQ10 200 mg, Zinc 50 mg, Essential fatty acids (Flax 10g, borage 1g),

milk thistle, Folic acid 600 mcg. Support your adreanals first then thyroid.

Get the book as it discribes many more supplements that will help you feel

better. The second step is to remove all mercury exposure (ie. amalgams) It

sounds like you have done this. If you have caps, crowns or root canals make

sure there is no amalgam under or in them. The Third step is to start low dose

frequent chelation (see TK's suggested in the " files " section). Again Andy's

book discribes the theory behind this protocol. But basically, frequent low

dose DSMA minimizes redistribution. Good chelators have two sulfer - Hydrogen

groups. These include

DMSA, DMPS and ALA. ALA can cross cell membranes (it is fat soluable) carrying

metal with it. It will carry metal into cells (bad) if the concentration is

higher outside the cells. By chelating only with DMSA or DMPS first for several

months the extra cellular metals are removed, so when you start with ALA it will

move the metal out rather than in.

--- Jon

I would really appreciate any help you guys could give me.

Again, it is really hard for me to read a ton of articles because if

how badly I feel.

Thank you!

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In frequent-dose-chelation hopecross77 wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am new here

---------Hello and welcome. Glad you found us!---------Jackie

and I have been trying to read all the posts and

information but I am very ill and cannot get through but several

articles/posts before I have to go lay down.

----------Totally understandable. Many of us have been there. And it takes

time for all of this to sink in and start making sense. Just read what you can

each day, and keep asking questions.----------Jackie

About 3 months ago, I

went to an alternative health care woman who did a DMSA urine

challenge test on me. I still had all my fillings at that time.

----------High dose challenge tests can be dangerous, many people get worse

from them, and we never recommend them here. So please don't do any more of

these, or you will continue to get worse. We suggest testing with a Doctor's

Data Hair Elements test. Much safer, and more informative. Can be ordered

without a doctor through Direct Labs, see Links section of group.------Jackie

She also tested my adrenals and thyroid which are way out of whack.

-----------Very common with mercury toxicity. How did she test them? We

usually recommend saliva testing for adrenals, and adrenals should always be

treated before the thyroid. Are you taking anything for them?-------Jackie

Recently, I got all my fillings out by a biological dentist (I had 7)

and the day of and the day after the treatment, I have Vit. C and

Glutathione IVs. That caused nausea and diarrhea for a couple days.

------------Vit C IV's are usually very helpful, but Cutler does not recommend

IV Glutathione. Some people react badly to it.----------Jackie

I then went to an " integrative medicine " M.D. who put me on Chelex (4

x/day) and Metal Free (5 sprays/day).

-----------Please stop taking these products and learn about safe, proper

chelation using frequent, low doses following the Cutler protocol, which is the

only chelation protocol supported by this group. If you're not sure what to do,

then it is better to do nothing while trying to decide, than to do the wrong

thing and to continue to get worse. If the above doctor won't support you doing

this protocol, then find another doctor, or do it on your own, as many do. Very

few doctors truly understand safe chelation.----------Jackie

I have done that for about a week and am feeling very dizzy, tired, heavy,

moody, etc.

--------Please stop using these products. They are making you worse. Read

the links below, which explain why they are not good for you.-------Jackie

I am just now reading that my adrenals and thyroid need support before I detox

and am thinking that not only did I start to detox too quickly after

amalgam removal, I am taking too much of a dosage of everything.

-----------Yes, detox will be much better with proper adrenal and thyroid

support, and possibly other hormones too. And yes, the dosages of DMSA and ALA

in the Chelex is too high, and not taken frequently enough. The rest of the

ingredients should either absolutely not be used by mercury toxic people, or not

by all. In this group, we recommend starting out with just one chelator at at a

time, and at a very low dose. The only chelators we use here are DMSA, DMPS,

and ALA, all taken orally, dosed on their half-life.-----------Jackie

Is there anywhere that I can find a comprehensive list that would

literally lay out in steps (#1, #2, #3, etc.) of what I should be

doing? I would really appreciate any help you guys could give me.

Again, it is really hard for me to read a ton of articles because if

how badly I feel.

---------Once you get to the chelating part, there is a file of general

recommendations for starting chelation. What people have found is that they

need to start at even lower doses than Cutler describes in his book, Amalgam

Illness. Besides that though, the book is full of endless information. It can

be overwhelming, but it is the kind of book you keep going back to, over and

over again, as things start making more sense. It gives a list of basic

supplements you should be on, and then tons of suggestions for other ones that

might help with different symptoms. His hair test book is very good too, and

explains all the other metals in more depth, and how to read a hair test, etc.

They are both available at his website, in the Links section of the group. If

you have trouble finding links, etc., just let us know.

Ok, I will try to lay out what *I* think you should do.

1. Stop taking the above products. (Read the links below)

2. Consider getting a hair test done. (Links)

3. Order Andy's books, Amalgam Illness and Hair Test Interpretation. This

group is based on his chelation protocol, and his books are essential.

http://www.noamalgam.com/

4. Get on the basic supplement program. It is in his book Amalgam Illness,

and there is a file in the Files section, to get you started. Andy's top four

for mercury toxic people are Vit C, Vit E, (antioxidants are very important),

and zinc and magnesium. Or you can tell us what you're taking, and we'll make

suggestions.

5. Work on treating your adrenals and thyroid and other hormones too, if

necessary. Lots of info in the Links and at Dean's website.

6. Work on other things, like diet, and possible yeast problems, etc. Some

people are sulfur food sensitive, and feel better if they avoid these.

7. When you feel you are ready and understand the protocol, start chelating

with low doses of either DMSA or DMPS. ALA should not be used until at least 3

months post amalgam removal. DMSA is available OTC, DMPS requires a

prescription. ALA is OTC. You can work on some of the above things, *while*

you are chelating, such as diet and yeast, etc.

8. Keep asking questions. And focus on just one thing at a time, so you

don't get too confused and overwhelmed.

9. This should probably be higher up, but do lots of reading, when you feel

up to it. There is lots of info to help you understand the protocol at these

links.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

Ok, that's probably enough, or too much, for now Take a look at the links

below also, when you feel up to it. Good luck---------Jackie

Thank you!

Comments on Chelex

http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/34167.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/193751.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/221062.html

Andy on chlorella

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27356.html

Andy on Metal Free, there are numerous posts by him in archives

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/55961.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81978.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/55969.html

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Different_chelation_agents

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===============Jon and has given you some good info and advice

,see further comments below

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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:59 PM

To: <frequent-dose-chelation >

Subject: On Chelex and feeling terrible!

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am new here and I have been trying to read all the posts and

> information but I am very ill and cannot get through but several

> articles/posts before I have to go lay down.

================Welcome. I can identify with you.

First time, trying to get your head around all this, when you are not well,

was also very overwhelming for me.

I'm sure I speak for many on the list.

Be assured that there are many experienced and well read people on this

list that will help you.

Post your questions and someone is due to give you some help.

About 3 months ago, I

> went to an alternative health care woman who did a DMSA urine

> challenge test on me. I still had all my fillings at that time. She

> also tested my adrenals and thyroid which are way out of whack

> Recently, I got all my fillings out by a biological dentist (I had 7)

> and the day of and the day after the treatment, I have Vit. C and

> Glutathione IVs. That caused nausea and diarrhea for a couple days. I

> then went to an " integrative medicine " M.D. who put me on Chelex (4

> x/day) and Metal Free (5 sprays/day). I have done that for about a

> week and am feeling very dizzy, tired, heavy, moody, etc. I am just

> now reading that my adrenals and thyroid need support before I detox

=======You really have to look at the state of your adrenals for you to get

better.

I'm going to suggest reading just three articles to start off with to get

you on the road to recovery.

What to do about your adrenals and what to take to support them:

Adrenal problems

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

> and am thinking that not only did I start to detox too quickly after

> amalgam removal, I am taking too much of a dosage of everything. Is

> there anywhere that I can find a comprehensive list that would

> literally lay out in steps (#1, #2, #3, etc.) of what I should be

> doing?

===============Go here to the files section to help you step by step of what

to do to chelate.

The third file from the bottom is:

TK- My General Chelation Suggestions - PLEASE READ !!!

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/files/

I would really appreciate any help you guys could give me.

> Again, it is really hard for me to read a ton of articles because if

> how badly I feel.

===============We fully understand how you feel and reading all this stuff

with brainfog, etc.

If you can only read these three articles and specifically TK's rules for

safe chelation , you have already done yourself alot of good.

Very important to start taking the general supplements that Andy Cutler

suggest to support you feeling better. It is a real must.

Can you tell us how far you've come with taking metal out of your mouth?

Have you done a DDI hairtest for us to comment on?

Any other tests?

This is the third article for you to read, lastly

Oral chelation for mercury

http://livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/oral_chelation1.html

I wish you well in these difficult days for you and you must know there is a

light for you eventually.

I think everyone on this list has more or less been at times, where you are

now.

Just know that there is hope.

Start reading the 3 articles when you are up to it and post your comments

and questions.

Good luck

Kai

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> Thank you!

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