Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 The arm is IM - intramuscular, the butt shot should be done, upper outer quandrant at angle of 30 dregrees - per Dr Neubrander what you want is a subcutaneous shot. This way the MB12 is delivered slowly over a number of days. _www.drNeubrander.com_ (http://www.drNeubrander.com) HTH Mandi in UK Now we are restarting and the doctor told me to give them in the butt. Usually I notice a change the next morning when i gave the shot in the arm. But I did not notice any change when I gave it to him in the butt. Has anyone else expereienced this? Is the butt really a better place to give the shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Dr neurbander contests thart butt fat is different from fat elsewhere in terms of slow release of the MB12. He advocates 5-6 week trial initially with Mb12 only then add Folininc to the MB12 for a further 5-6 weeks I believe. He says it may be 1-2 years to see the full effect. Some do daily shots, I did this and saw more than on every 3 days, just having a hard time keeping up with the cost at £5 GBP per shot Mandi in UK was not injexting it into the muscle when i was doing it in the arm. I was doing it in the back part of the arm where it is fleshy. I do not notice anything at all ever when I do it on his butt. how long before I notice results, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 My son did the stim thing on MB12 as well. The DAN! Dr. told me to give him only 1/2 of the prescribed dose. It really turned things around for him. His O/T and SLP say he's able to pay attention better with the MB12 shots. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 You need a prescription for the shots. We go to a DAN! doctor for ours. I don't think the mainstream ped would give this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 You could try the Ped - if he's openminded - see the neuobrander web site - he's got great info on there about this. you could print this off, give it to your Ped - tell him you have an apt with a specialist (a DAN) but want to try this protocal now. I get mine from Lee Silsby Pharmacy - they specialize in our kids. Remember - your Ped works for YOU. If you are not in the BOSS seat, remind him/her - or shop until you find one QUALIFIED to treat kids in the 21 century as apposed to the 1950's... which is basically what you get at the standard Ped's office. DEMAND MORE - basic economics. If not, get a DAN - don't wait. See the Autism One web site, there is a conference this weekend in Chicago - you can stream link and / or buy DVD's of the sessions. Well worth it - this is up to date, state of the art treatments for our kids. hth > > You need a prescription for the shots. We go to a DAN! doctor for > ours. I don't think the mainstream ped would give this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 How did you get the level of the shot right. I'm giving the shot basically horizontal and not even putting the needle in all the way to keep the very slight angle from making it go deeper but he is still getting pink urine in the morning. I know he's not losing it all but I don't know what else to do. Aggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Hi Aggie, I just replied to on this topic so I'll cut and paste and hope it clarifies the angle part. Our doctor said that some pinkish urine will still be present no matter what, the body self regulates so not to worry (yeah, we've heard that many times before!!) but just do it as you said very horizontal and you can put the needle in all the way just be sure the shot goes under the skin in the fat, not the muscle. Also read Dr. Neubrander's instructions and other info. links posted below +++++++++++ Ziana has been doing SUPER since the B12. I think everything has helped, but with the B12 it seems the effects were the greatest. She was almost panting and touching her mouth a LOT a few days after we started doing it RIGHT, and we were worried at first, but then when the speech started getting better and better, we realized it was probably because she was feeling parts of her mouth she had never felt before. Her brain was finally starting to click and connect better with her mouth. Although her oral motor issues are very minor (slight hypotonic tongue when in relaxed play and some SID food texture issues and upper lip sensitivities), I think there is a lot going on with apraxic kids at all levels neurologically, it's never just speech motor planning, some other thingies are always amiss nearby. So the way we've started doing it is at a very slanted angle, almost under the skin, because that's where it should stay for a few days, not travel quickly in her bloodstream and get all peed out. You can actually see it a little blueish/red swell at first and in a few minutes/hours it is just a red spot and it goes away by the time we do the next shot 3 days later. My doctor never gave any specific details about how to administer, just said in her butt fat, but what's obvious to them, is not obvious to a parent with a screaming squirming child in their arms trying to give a shot so I was doing it too deep at first. Dr.Neubrander is considered the " father " of the B12 shot treatment and other alternative treatments like HBOT (that's next on my list but we need to do the detox first and be sure it's all out and then --convince my husband and HBOT a try. With the B12 Neubrander considers it to be a dependency rather than a deficiency, meaning it is most likely a poor transport to the cells than a deficiency in the blood, which means the shots are really critical for these kids and may be indefinite until the cause of the poor transport is eliminated. Most are also gluten intolerant, or some other major intolerance though gluten is tops in most cases and the B12 gets absorbed ONLY if other factors are present in the digestive system, which for gluten intolerant + other intolerances they obviously are NOT, that's why the shot is the only way. Here is his website and the links on B12 which are under Downloads so they may be tricky to find if you don't explore his site first. http://drneubrander.com/dev/index.html http://www.drneubrander.com/Files/READ%20ME,%20Injection%20Instructions%20for%20\ Methyl-B12%20Shots.pdf http://drneubrander.com/Files/Methyl-B12%20Parent%20Designed%20Report%20Form%20a\ nd%20Documentation%20Letter.doc Hope this helps. I've not completed the questionnaire yet, but will shortly as it is definitely a very good tool to keep track of her progress. As it is now she has gone from about 40 words and partial words that were more or less understood by others, to over 200 in just less then 6 months, and they are functional words too, now she can tell me what she likes, doesn't like, wants, doesn't want, plus so many new words, it seems every day. Good luck! -Elena From: Gene and Aggie Birocco <birocco@...> Subject: [ ] Re: MB12 Shots Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 2:44 PM How did you get the level of the shot right. I'm giving the shot basically horizontal and not even putting the needle in all the way to keep the very slight angle from making it go deeper but he is still getting pink urine in the morning. I know he's not losing it all but I don't know what else to do. Aggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I would stop the injections for a few days and see if it actually the shots that is turning his urine pink. Many of our kids suffer from UTI etc. If it doesn't turn pink then it is probably the shots. Is he benefitting from the shots. You may need to increase his dose or try the nasal spray. Gene and Aggie Birocco wrote: > How did you get the level of the shot right. I'm giving the shot basically horizontal and not even putting the needle in all the way to keep the very slight angle from making it go deeper but he is still getting pink urine in the morning. I know he's not losing it all but I don't know what else to do. Aggie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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