Re: Brain fog / chelation question

[Guest guest]

I find that because when we chelate , things are under more

stress.. So anything affecting brainfog would be where I would

look to find extra supports to take. IN my case brainfog is

worse with lack of hormone supports, and molybdenum helped as

well for me.. Candida may also be a problem as that causes

brain fog.. Even if my stomach is poor it affects this , so you

do have to do some investigative research to pinpoint the

culprit.

It may only get worse during some chelations. I will all of a

sudden have smoe depressive episodes and then I pull out the

5HTP and may only have to stay on it a month , then not have

to for many more after that.. It is frustrating figuring it all

out . But is is gettng easier to be a master of all of my

symptoms..

Nanci

>

> When I do a chelation round, I find that my brain fog/spaciness

increases dramatically. Can

> someone say whether this is a normal side effect of ALA and therefore

will always be an issue

> for as long as I am chelating, or is this more likely related to

toxicity and may decline as

> chelation progresses? thank you...

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > When I do a chelation round, I find that my brain fog/spaciness

> increases dramatically. Can

> > someone say whether this is a normal side effect of ALA and

therefore

> will always be an issue

> > for as long as I am chelating, or is this more likely related to

> toxicity and may decline as

> > chelation progresses? thank you...

>

> This is common, and the usual way to alleviate it is to take DMSA

or

> DMPS along with the ALA, which Cutler says also accelerates

chelation

> by about 40%.

>

> I can't tolerate ALA by itself due to the side effects. A couple of

> times recently I tried ALA by itself at the beginning of a round,

and

> experienced strong spaciness effects, which were totally alleviated

> when I added DMSA. This was at 25 mg of each chelator.

>

I agree with the above replier. i almost always use dmsa with LA,

but i just ran out and don't know if i can really afford more, so i

tried a round with just LA. the round just ended and i've got a lot

more brain-fog than i have had in a long time. that and a headache.

and i just feel icky. i never have problems with the end-of-round

with dmsa. i also have been doing the thing (which i am not

necessarily recommending since it is not standard procedure) where i

will stop taking LA on my second to last dose (when i am taking both

DMSA and LA) so my last dose is just DMSA at the same DMSA dosage i

had been taking all along. i don't know how much that helps, but it

seems to work well, and it might be worth trying just to see how it

works for you.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, everyone, for your helpful replies. Since DMSA helps control the brain

fog, to me

this implies that it is an effect of mercury, rather than a side effect of ALA.

Do others

agree?

Thanks again. I will try the DMSA with the ALA.

> > > >

> > > > When I do a chelation round, I find that my brain fog/spaciness

> > > increases dramatically. Can

> > > > someone say whether this is a normal side effect of ALA and

> > therefore

> > > will always be an issue

> > > > for as long as I am chelating, or is this more likely related

> to

> > > toxicity and may decline as

> > > > chelation progresses? thank you...

> > >

> > > This is common, and the usual way to alleviate it is to take DMSA

> > or

> > > DMPS along with the ALA, which Cutler says also accelerates

> > chelation

> > > by about 40%.

> > >

> > > I can't tolerate ALA by itself due to the side effects. A couple

> of

> > > times recently I tried ALA by itself at the beginning of a round,

> > and

> > > experienced strong spaciness effects, which were totally

> alleviated

> > > when I added DMSA. This was at 25 mg of each chelator.

> > >

> >

> >

> > I agree with the above replier. i almost always use dmsa with LA,

> > but i just ran out and don't know if i can really afford more, so i

> > tried a round with just LA. the round just ended and i've got a

> lot

> > more brain-fog than i have had in a long time. that and a

> headache.

> > and i just feel icky. i never have problems with the end-of-round

> > with dmsa. i also have been doing the thing (which i am not

> > necessarily recommending since it is not standard procedure) where

> i

> > will stop taking LA on my second to last dose (when i am taking

> both

> > DMSA and LA) so my last dose is just DMSA at the same DMSA dosage i

> > had been taking all along. i don't know how much that helps, but

> it

> > seems to work well, and it might be worth trying just to see how it

> > works for you.

>

> Actually, this is standard procedure. On page 239 of Hair Test

> Interpretation, Cutler says " When using ALA with DMPS or DMSA,

> leaving the ALA out of the last dose or two of the cycle often

> reduces the day after effects substantially. "

>

[Guest guest]

Yeast had not occurred to me as a possible issue here. I will look into the

yeast supps in

the Files section, as you mentioned. Thanks again!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I do a chelation round, I find that my brain

> fog/spaciness

> > > > > increases dramatically. Can

> > > > > > someone say whether this is a normal side effect of ALA and

> > > > therefore

> > > > > will always be an issue

> > > > > > for as long as I am chelating, or is this more likely

> related

> > > to

> > > > > toxicity and may decline as

> > > > > > chelation progresses? thank you...

> > > > >

> > > > > This is common, and the usual way to alleviate it is to take

> DMSA

> > > > or

> > > > > DMPS along with the ALA, which Cutler says also accelerates

> > > > chelation

> > > > > by about 40%.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't tolerate ALA by itself due to the side effects. A

> couple

> > > of

> > > > > times recently I tried ALA by itself at the beginning of a

> round,

> > > > and

> > > > > experienced strong spaciness effects, which were totally

> > > alleviated

> > > > > when I added DMSA. This was at 25 mg of each chelator.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I agree with the above replier. i almost always use dmsa with

> LA,

> > > > but i just ran out and don't know if i can really afford more,

> so i

> > > > tried a round with just LA. the round just ended and i've got

> a

> > > lot

> > > > more brain-fog than i have had in a long time. that and a

> > > headache.

> > > > and i just feel icky. i never have problems with the end-of-

> round

> > > > with dmsa. i also have been doing the thing (which i am not

> > > > necessarily recommending since it is not standard procedure)

> where

> > > i

> > > > will stop taking LA on my second to last dose (when i am taking

> > > both

> > > > DMSA and LA) so my last dose is just DMSA at the same DMSA

> dosage i

> > > > had been taking all along. i don't know how much that helps,

> but

> > > it

> > > > seems to work well, and it might be worth trying just to see

> how it

> > > > works for you.

> > >

> > > Actually, this is standard procedure. On page 239 of Hair Test

> > > Interpretation, Cutler says " When using ALA with DMPS or DMSA,

> > > leaving the ALA out of the last dose or two of the cycle often

> > > reduces the day after effects substantially. "

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Brainfog can be a real damper to one's enthusiasm.

I too struggled with that for a long time and often.

What does really help me is the following recipe from someone on the list ,

either Andy or ?

Brain Fog Recipe

3/4 tsp of Anhydrous Citric Acid mixed with,

3/4 tsp of Sodium Bicarbonate (BP grade) with,

1/4 tsp of Potassium Bicarbonate (BP grade).

Add 1/2 cup of water, wait for the excessive bubbling to pass ( eg 15

seconds) and drink.

Hope this helps you too.

kai

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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:38 PM

To: <frequent-dose-chelation >

Subject: Re: Brain fog / chelation question

> Thanks, everyone, for your helpful replies. Since DMSA helps control the

> brain fog, to me

> this implies that it is an effect of mercury, rather than a side effect of

> ALA. Do others

> agree?

>

> Thanks again. I will try the DMSA with the ALA.

>

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > > When I do a chelation round, I find that my brain fog/spaciness

>> > > increases dramatically. Can

>> > > > someone say whether this is a normal side effect of ALA and

>> > therefore

>> > > will always be an issue

>> > > > for as long as I am chelating, or is this more likely related

>> to

>> > > toxicity and may decline as

>> > > > chelation progresses? thank you...

>> > >

>> > > This is common, and the usual way to alleviate it is to take DMSA

>> > or

>> > > DMPS along with the ALA, which Cutler says also accelerates

>> > chelation

>> > > by about 40%.

>> > >

>> > > I can't tolerate ALA by itself due to the side effects. A couple

>> of

>> > > times recently I tried ALA by itself at the beginning of a round,

>> > and

>> > > experienced strong spaciness effects, which were totally

>> alleviated

>> > > when I added DMSA. This was at 25 mg of each chelator.

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> > I agree with the above replier. i almost always use dmsa with LA,

>> > but i just ran out and don't know if i can really afford more, so i

>> > tried a round with just LA. the round just ended and i've got a

>> lot

>> > more brain-fog than i have had in a long time. that and a

>> headache.

>> > and i just feel icky. i never have problems with the end-of-round

>> > with dmsa. i also have been doing the thing (which i am not

>> > necessarily recommending since it is not standard procedure) where

>> i

>> > will stop taking LA on my second to last dose (when i am taking

>> both

>> > DMSA and LA) so my last dose is just DMSA at the same DMSA dosage i

>> > had been taking all along. i don't know how much that helps, but

>> it

>> > seems to work well, and it might be worth trying just to see how it

>> > works for you.

>>

>> Actually, this is standard procedure. On page 239 of Hair Test

>> Interpretation, Cutler says " When using ALA with DMPS or DMSA,

>> leaving the ALA out of the last dose or two of the cycle often

>> reduces the day after effects substantially. "

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

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>

Just to make people aware that brainfog can be stomach

upset based on too little acid, plus bad buggies. I get

brain fog , and did at one point find bicarbs did help ease

it.. I guess it calmed the stomach gas I had that built up.

I have since learned that I have too little stomach gas so I

no longer take the alkaline bicarbs , I take betaine

hydrochloric acid with every meal . Plus sauerkraut now that it

is particularly stressed. I find when I start to get dizzy,

have brain fog, feel antisocial, have panic attacks, it is

alot to do with stomach. I have learned to take time out , and

make a point of burping. IMmediately I feel better.

People usually have more problems with too little stomach

acid , when they assume it is too much. I for years swore I

had an ulcer , as I also had stomach pain. I finally followed

someones advice on this forum and found great releif when taking

the betaine HCl with every meal.. IT does get worse with

chelation too I think..

THe sauerkraut, and kefir helps settle the stomach by keeping

bad bacteria down,

The best thing to do is try a trial of betaine hydrochloric

acid. { betaine HCL} Start with one capsule, If that is not

irritating , then up the dose to as much as you can tolerate

without getting pain. I have been up to four capsules with

heavier meals at my worse.. Andy says the amino acid taurine

increases HCL release. I am just about to experiment with

this.

nanci

Kai wrote ..

> Brainfog can be a real damper to one's enthusiasm.

> I too struggled with that for a long time and often.

> What does really help me is the following recipe from someone on

the list ,

> either Andy or ?

>

> Brain Fog Recipe

>

> 3/4 tsp of Anhydrous Citric Acid mixed with,

> 3/4 tsp of Sodium Bicarbonate (BP grade) with,

> 1/4 tsp of Potassium Bicarbonate (BP grade).

> Add 1/2 cup of water, wait for the excessive bubbling to pass ( eg

15

> seconds) and drink.

>

> Hope this helps you too.

> kai

>

>