Re: Trouble sleeping on round-- Help

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In frequent-dose-chelation lisagood36 wrote:

I just ended round 11 early because I couldn't sleep. I was

wondering if anyone else had this? and is it the DMSA or ALA

causing this? Not sure which one to reduce.

I take melatonin and a sleep formula at night. The strange part was

is that I was extremely tired and lethargic but just couldn't get to

sleep. Also, felt like my skin was " crawling " , I was restless. The

2nd night, the same thing ( with increased melatonin), so I didn't

take the 1am dose and finally went to sleep.

---------Didn't we recently have a full moon? My SIL can't sleep when the

moon is full, and I think I have noticed that somewhat also. And haven't people

said something about the full moon and parasites being more active? Maybe the

crawling feeling?---------Jackie

DMSA and ALA both at 25 for last 3 rounds (9,10, 11). Trouble

sleeping but not too bad. Round 8 increased DMSA from 17 to 25 and

noted sleeping problems. Don't know if had sleep problems b4, since

I can't remember and it's not noted. I've had some mild problems

with sleeping for a couple of years and melatonin always works,

except this weekend.

I don't want to reduce both since I hate splitting caps.

Other: Adrenal support in morning-- ACE. No caffeine after noon.

8 months post amalgam.

Been super tired off round for a month.

-----------These last two statements make me think that the dose is too high

for you. One, you are 8 months post amalgam, so probably in the *hump* or

*dumping phase*, and many people have said they have had to lower their dosages

during that time. So increasing right now might be too much for you. And then

you also noted being super tired off round for a month, and that coincides with

your last three rounds at higher dosages. So this may also be causing your

sleep problems.

I know you don't like splitting capsules, but I would really suggest you lower

your dosage back down, and see if you do better. If you suspect the DMSA, then

just try lowering that one.

Also, have you ever tried a round with ALA only? Some people have reported

feeling better on that alone. We're all different.--------Jackie

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> > -----------These last two statements make me think that the

dose is too high for you. One, you are 8 months post amalgam, so

probably in the *hump* or *dumping phase*, and many people have said

they have had to lower their dosages during that time. So

increasing right now might be too much for you. And then you also

noted being super tired off round for a month, and that coincides

with your last three rounds at higher dosages. So this may also be

causing your sleep problems.

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> I know you don't like splitting capsules, but I would really

suggest you lower your dosage back down, and see if you do better.

If you suspect the DMSA, then just try lowering that one.

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> Also, have you ever tried a round with ALA only? Some people

have reported feeling better on that alone. We're all different.----

----Jackie

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> Thanks Jackie,

How long does the dumping phase last ( what range of time)?? I was

thinking of cutting the dosage from 25 to 12.5. Do you think that

is too much of a drop?? I'm going to see if my Doc will give a

prescription for the Kirkman 12.5 DMSA/ 12.5 ALA.

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In frequent-dose-chelation lisagood36 wrote:

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> > -----------These last two statements make me think that the

dose is too high for you. One, you are 8 months post amalgam, so

probably in the *hump* or *dumping phase*, and many people have said

they have had to lower their dosages during that time. So

increasing right now might be too much for you. And then you also

noted being super tired off round for a month, and that coincides

with your last three rounds at higher dosages. So this may also be

causing your sleep problems.

>

> I know you don't like splitting capsules, but I would really

suggest you lower your dosage back down, and see if you do better.

If you suspect the DMSA, then just try lowering that one.

>

> Also, have you ever tried a round with ALA only? Some people

have reported feeling better on that alone. We're all different.----

----Jackie

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> Thanks Jackie,

How long does the dumping phase last ( what range of time)?? I was

thinking of cutting the dosage from 25 to 12.5. Do you think that

is too much of a drop?? I'm going to see if my Doc will give a

prescription for the Kirkman 12.5 DMSA/ 12.5 ALA.

-----------Of course things can vary by person, but generally the dumping

phase is around 6-12 months post amalgam removal. Andy says to study the graph

on page 52 of AI, so you understand what's happening, that this is a natural

part of mercury detox, to feel worse for awhile. Here's a quote from Andy from

the following post: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/154072.html

" Also, pay attention to the graph on page 52 of Amalgam Illness. There

will be a period about 6 months in when gut bugs and everything else

go wild - this is not due to chelation but rather due to the body's

natural response to being able to detox. "

And Jay is doing a wonderful job collecting and organizing posts on the

onibasu/wiki.

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Stall_period

And as far as cutting your dosage, if the recent increase to 25mg seems like

too much, then cut back to whatever your previous dosage was that you were

handling just fine. Some people have had to go lower, so going to 12.5mg of

each is just fine to try also. Or you could try just one chelator at 25mg and

see how you do/feel. It is just probably going to take some experimenting on

your part to find the best dosage for you now.

If you can get the Kirkman's through your doctor, that would be fine.

Otherwise, keep in mind that you can now order a variety of sizes through Dean's

livingnetwork website also.---------Jackie

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> > -----------Of course things can vary by person, but generally

the dumping phase is around 6-12 months post amalgam removal. Andy

says to study the graph on page 52 of AI, so you understand what's

happening, that this is a natural part of mercury detox, to feel

worse for awhile. Here's a quote from Andy from the following

post: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/154072.html

>

> " Also, pay attention to the graph on page 52 of Amalgam Illness.

There

> will be a period about 6 months in when gut bugs and everything

else

> go wild - this is not due to chelation but rather due to the

body's

> natural response to being able to detox. "

>

> And Jay is doing a wonderful job collecting and organizing posts

on the onibasu/wiki.

>

> http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Stall_period

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> > If you can get the Kirkman's through your doctor, that would

be fine. Otherwise, keep in mind that you can now order a variety

of sizes through Dean's livingnetwork website also.---------Jackie

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Thanks for the reminder on the graph. I was feeling so

good and was hoping it would last longer. It's been a long time

since I felt that good. I'll check into Dean's website, I didn't

realize we could buy it there!!!