milk discussion

[Guest guest]

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From: Zeissler [mailto:hzeissler@...]

Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:49 PM

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Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Update on Gavin and family

I agree!!!

I am very thankful that the no milk discussion came up last April. Since we

have gone milk free in our house, my 3rd child has now had solid, well

formed, " normal " colored Bm's!! (before was chronic diarrhea. The baby is

now trying to walk at 12 mo. his older brothers didn't walk until 15-19

months. I even heard the " G " sound from the baby yesterday when Grandma was

over..

I finally got into a GI specialist for #3, and was explaining everything

that we have done, etc. She looked at me and said " This is very clearly a

milk intolerance " She wrote out a dr note right then for the

school/preschool groups about milk. WOW.. #2 will see her in a few weeks

for the same thing. .. Then the baby. YEAH!!

I feel like we are finally making progress and finally have buy in from

family about the eclectic diet we are on.

Also.. I was filing papers today. I started to read #3's private Speech

re-eval which was done end of July. He went from the 6th percentile for

Receptive language to the 63rd and 13th to 37th in expressive language.

This kid is not on supplements like big brother and only goes to private

speech 2x week. I am so thrilled. We start EI at the school this week.

Hopefully, we won't be there that long.

SO long story. MILK IS EVIL.. GIVE UP MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of mandyknapp2000

Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Update on Gavin and family

>

> Milk/casien: MY NEMISIS!

I can't decide if it's the elimination of milk, the high doses of

vitamin E, or the fish oil that is helping Gavin the most. I'm sure

it's a combo of the three, but at the same time, the huge

improvements since the elimination of milk have been amazing!

I know I mentioned that I am allergic to eggs. When I have something

that has eggs in it or has been cross-contaminated (using a cast iron

skillet that had been used to prepare eggs) my ears start itching way

deep inside. Then my throat starts to close, etc. I was having a

Vetne Frap. every couple of days and after I would drink it, my ears

would itch, but nothing else happened. I didn't think too much about

it since it never got any worse. When I eliminated milk and tried to

reintroduce into my diet, I got so sick. My stomach was messed up for

days. We are definitely caesen free in this house. I would have NEVER

even heard about it if it weren't for this group!

Mandy

[Guest guest]

Deb,

Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who is/was around

cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs and 1000+ acres at one

time. What I'd really like everyone here to know, and understand, when they are

searching into this very deep, informative and learning discussion on iodine,

and optimal health, is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't

have health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other dairy

farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by almost daily, and

the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of that when it pertains to your

health, and your pursuit of optimal health. Our farm nutritionist always said

that a dairy cow that produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes

great stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste buds.

Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes and needs

something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right where the iodine is,

you need to check to see if it's out of iodine, and fill it up. She'll decide

how much of whatever vitamins/minerals that she needs, and get her protein from

hay. Their bodies are similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin?

Luckily we are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal health

insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

>

> All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

>

> Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers from the time

they're born until they have their first calf.

>

> Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is the only one

that gives milk. What initially comes in is the colostrum for the calf, after

which the actual milk begins.

>

> Bull = un-neutered male

>

> Steer = neutered male.

>

> Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals over 35 years.

>

[Guest guest]

Lol. That is about cows driving!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Milk Discussion

Deb,

Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who is/was around

cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs and 1000+ acres at one

time. What I'd really like everyone here to know, and understand, when they are

searching into this very deep, informative and learning discussion on iodine,

and optimal health, is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't

have health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other dairy

farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by almost daily, and

the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of that when it pertains to your

health, and your pursuit of optimal health. Our farm nutritionist always said

that a dairy cow that produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes

great stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste buds.

Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes and needs

something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right where the iodine is,

you need to check to see if it's out of iodine, and fill it up. She'll decide

how much of whatever vitamins/minerals that she needs, and get her protein from

hay. Their bodies are similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin?

Luckily we are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal health

insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

>

> All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

>

> Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers from the time

they're born until they have their first calf.

>

> Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is the only one

that gives milk. What initially comes in is the colostrum for the calf, after

which the actual milk begins.

>

> Bull = un-neutered male

>

> Steer = neutered male.

>

> Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals over 35 years.

>

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[Guest guest]

Deb,

Cattle is the collective noun. Often

cows is used instead of cattle which

is incorrect.

I wondered what the singular of cattle is?

For example a dog, dogs. and also cow

can refer to the female of other species

than cattle such a elephant,hippo.etc.

From: crouth2 <crouth1@...>Subject: Re: Milk Discussioniodine Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

Deb,Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep, informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health, is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes and needs something. When she

is chewing up the mineral box right where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine, and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris>> All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.> > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers from the time they're born until they have their first calf.>

> Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins. > > Bull = un-neutered male> > Steer = neutered male.> > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals over 35 years.>

[Guest guest]

LOL @ There are some strange names for

animal groupings, herds(?) aren't there?. It

doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

hormones from birth to retirement or death I

reckon. We get a double whammy in the meat and the

milk, then in all the estrogen mimickers in the

food and environment. Same for pigs, sows or

boars, and chickens. My Dad didn't like all that

stuff though, and we fed our pigs greens, and sour

mash, and other cracked grains. We didn't have

cows;> though.

Bethann

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

david kenna wrote:

>

>

> Deb,

> Cattle is the collective noun. Often

> cows is used instead of cattle which

> is incorrect.

> I wondered what the singular of cattle is?

> For example a dog, dogs. and also cow

> can refer to the female of other species

> than cattle such a elephant,hippo. etc.

>

>

>

>

>

> From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Milk Discussion

> iodinegroups (DOT) com

> Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

>

>

> Deb,

> Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who

> is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs

> and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to

> know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,

> informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,

> is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have

> health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other

> dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by

> almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of

> that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal

> health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that

> produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great

> stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste

> buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes

> and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right

> where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,

> and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals

> that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are

> similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we

> are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

> rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal

> health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

>

>

> >

> > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

> >

> > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers

> from the time they're born until they have their first calf.

> >

> > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is

> the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the

> colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.

> >

> > Bull = un-neutered male

> >

> > Steer = neutered male.

> >

> > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals

> over 35 years.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bethann,

Don’t lump all animal production

together and label it all bad. There are many people who have gone back to the

old ways of raising animals. I buy all my meat from local private families, who

do not use hormones or antibiotics, are grass fed or organic grain fed. You can

get milk products that way too. Your

dad was one of them. You just have to find the sources.

Donna in IL

LOL @ There are some strange names for

animal groupings, herds(?) aren't there?. It

doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

hormones from birth to retirement or death I

reckon. We get a double whammy in the meat and the

milk, then in all the estrogen mimickers in the

food and environment. Same for pigs, sows or

boars, and chickens. My Dad didn't like all that

stuff though, and we fed our pigs greens, and sour

mash, and other cracked grains. We didn't have

cows;> though.

Bethann

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

david kenna wrote:

>

>

> Deb,

> Cattle is the collective noun. Often

> cows is used instead of cattle which

> is incorrect.

> I wondered what the singular of cattle is?

> For example a dog, dogs. and also cow

> can refer to the female of other species

> than cattle such a elephant,hippo. etc.

>

>

>

>

>

> From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Milk Discussion

> iodinegroups (DOT) com

> Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

>

>

> Deb,

> Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who

> is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs

> and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to

> know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,

> informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,

> is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have

> health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other

> dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by

> almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of

> that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal

> health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that

> produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great

> stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste

> buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes

> and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right

> where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,

> and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals

> that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are

> similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we

> are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

> rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal

> health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

>

>

> >

> > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

> >

> > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers

> from the time they're born until they have their first calf.

> >

> > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is

> the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the

> colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.

> >

> > Bull = un-neutered male

> >

> > Steer = neutered male.

> >

> > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals

> over 35 years.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, if people research grass fed beef, and used it, a lot of health

issues would resolve.

Cattle/cows etc are not made to eat anything but grass.

Other feed makes them ill and isn't natural.

Bruce

RE: Re: Milk Discussion

Bethann,

Don't lump all animal production together and label it all bad. There are

many people who have gone back to the old ways of raising animals. I buy all

my meat from local private families, who do not use hormones or antibiotics,

are grass fed or organic grain fed. You can get milk products that way too.

Your dad was one of them. You just have to find the sources.

Donna in IL

[Guest guest]

I didn't lump all animal production together and

label it bad. In a previous post I specifically

said commercial production. I am fully aware there

are organic producers. I know several people who

sell raw milk in the community, and free range

chickens, ducks and turkeys, and their eggs, even

a few emu, and some ostrich. I was reared on a

farm in the community. And several miles from

where I live there is a man raising Bison on his

farm. And there are several raising goats. So yes,

not all outfits are into poor farming practices.

But the majority of them are, and those are the

ones that provide most people in the US with food

staples.

Bethann

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Donna Iler wrote:

>

>

> Bethann,

>

> Don’t lump all animal production together and label it all bad. There

> are many people who have gone back to the old ways of raising animals. I

> buy all my meat from local private families, who do not use hormones or

> antibiotics, are grass fed or organic grain fed. You can get milk

> products that way too. Your dad was one of them. You just have to find

> the sources.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> LOL @ There are some strange names for

> animal groupings, herds(?) aren't there?. It

> doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

> hormones from birth to retirement or death I

> reckon. We get a double whammy in the meat and the

> milk, then in all the estrogen mimickers in the

> food and environment. Same for pigs, sows or

> boars, and chickens. My Dad didn't like all that

> stuff though, and we fed our pigs greens, and sour

> mash, and other cracked grains. We didn't have

> cows;> though.

>

> Bethann

>

> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

> and expecting different results.

> Albert Einstein

>

> david kenna wrote:

> >

> >

> > Deb,

> > Cattle is the collective noun. Often

> > cows is used instead of cattle which

> > is incorrect.

> > I wondered what the singular of cattle is?

> > For example a dog, dogs. and also cow

> > can refer to the female of other species

> > than cattle such a elephant,hippo. etc.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Re: Milk Discussion

> > iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

> >

> >

> > Deb,

> > Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who

> > is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs

> > and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to

> > know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,

> > informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,

> > is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have

> > health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other

> > dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by

> > almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of

> > that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal

> > health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that

> > produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great

> > stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste

> > buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes

> > and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right

> > where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,

> > and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals

> > that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are

> > similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we

> > are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

> > rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal

> > health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

> >

> >

> > >

> > > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

> > >

> > > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers

> > from the time they're born until they have their first calf.

> > >

> > > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is

> > the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the

> > colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.

> > >

> > > Bull = un-neutered male

> > >

> > > Steer = neutered male.

> > >

> > > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals

> > over 35 years.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I only saw this post where you said “It

> doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

> hormones from birth to retirement or death I

> reckon.â€

Seemed very lump sum from that statement.

Donna in IL

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of YardBirdMail

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:57 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion

I didn't lump all animal production together and

label it bad. In a previous post I specifically

said commercial production. I am fully aware there

are organic producers. I know several people who

sell raw milk in the community, and free range

chickens, ducks and turkeys, and their eggs, even

a few emu, and some ostrich. I was reared on a

farm in the community. And several miles from

where I live there is a man raising Bison on his

farm. And there are several raising goats. So yes,

not all outfits are into poor farming practices.

But the majority of them are, and those are the

ones that provide most people in the US with food

staples.

Bethann

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Donna Iler wrote:

>

>

> Bethann,

>

> Don’t lump all animal production together and label it all bad. There

> are many people who have gone back to the old ways of raising animals. I

> buy all my meat from local private families, who do not use hormones or

> antibiotics, are grass fed or organic grain fed. You can get milk

> products that way too. Your dad was one of them. You just have to find

> the sources.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> LOL @ There are some strange names for

> animal groupings, herds(?) aren't there?. It

> doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

> hormones from birth to retirement or death I

> reckon. We get a double whammy in the meat and the

> milk, then in all the estrogen mimickers in the

> food and environment. Same for pigs, sows or

> boars, and chickens. My Dad didn't like all that

> stuff though, and we fed our pigs greens, and sour

> mash, and other cracked grains. We didn't have

> cows;> though.

>

> Bethann

>

> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

> and expecting different results.

> Albert Einstein

>

> david kenna wrote:

> >

> >

> > Deb,

> > Cattle is the collective noun. Often

> > cows is used instead of cattle which

> > is incorrect.

> > I wondered what the singular of cattle is?

> > For example a dog, dogs. and also cow

> > can refer to the female of other species

> > than cattle such a elephant,hippo. etc.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT)

com>

> > Subject: Re: Milk Discussion

> > iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

> >

> >

> > Deb,

> > Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who

> > is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs

> > and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to

> > know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,

> > informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,

> > is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have

> > health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other

> > dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by

> > almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of

> > that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal

> > health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that

> > produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great

> > stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste

> > buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes

> > and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right

> > where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,

> > and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals

> > that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are

> > similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we

> > are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

> > rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal

> > health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

> >

> >

> > >

> > > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

> > >

> > > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers

> > from the time they're born until they have their first calf.

> > >

> > > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is

> > the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the

> > colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.

> > >

> > > Bull = un-neutered male

> > >

> > > Steer = neutered male.

> > >

> > > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals

> > over 35 years.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

For mainstream that's true.

Meat is safe and good, the government looks after that and has our best

interests at heart.

Doctors know everything about sickness and are smarter than anyone and can

be relied on.

Grocery stores carry the best " inspected and safe " meat.

The FDA and Health Canada protects us.

sad really.

Bruce

RE: Re: Milk Discussion

Sorry, I only saw this post where you said “It

> doesn't matter what ya call em'. They get fed

> hormones from birth to retirement or death I

> reckon.â€

Seemed very lump sum from that statement.

Donna in IL

[Guest guest]

If one wants to consider what is proper and correct with naming groups, AND one is living/referring to dairy cattle (as a VERY generic grouping) then cattle might be appropriate. That is not to say that these days "cows" is not accurate and correct for the plural, especially with dairy animals, as many, if not most dairy farmers use artificial insemination, thus there are no males in the dairy herd .. just "cows"! Many children these days do not have a clue as to what it might be to contend with the temperament of a dairy bull!!

Joyce Simmerman

There is ALWAYS a "BETTER WAY"! WE can find & make ITa "Cradle for Humanity"!

[Guest guest]

There is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! AliceFrom: Joyce Simmerman, J.D. <nativelegal@...>Subject: Re: Milk Discussion"Iodine Forum" <iodine >Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:17 PM

If one wants to consider what is proper and correct with naming groups, AND one is living/referring to dairy cattle (as a VERY generic grouping) then cattle might be appropriate. That is not to say that these days "cows" is not accurate and correct for the plural, especially with dairy animals, as many, if not most dairy farmers use artificial insemination, thus there are no males in the dairy herd .. just "cows"! Many children these days do not have a clue as to what it might be to contend with the temperament of a dairy bull!!

Joyce Simmerman

There is ALWAYS a "BETTER WAY"! WE can find & make ITa "Cradle for Humanity"!

[Guest guest]

There are many farmers who produce great food. I get grass fed meat, milk, eggs from the Amish. They deliver. Also, a local farmer in Naperville, IL farms for us during the warmweather. Alice

> >

> >

> > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT)

com>

> > Subject: Re: Milk Discussion

> > iodinegroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56

> >

> >

> > Deb,

> > Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who

> > is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs

> > and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to

> > know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,

> > informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,

> > is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have

> > health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other

> > dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by

> > almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of

> > that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal

> > health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that

> > produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great

> > stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste

> > buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes

> > and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right

> > where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,

> > and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals

> > that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are

> > similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we

> > are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the

> > rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal

> > health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris

> >

> >

> > >

> > > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.

> > >

> > > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers

> > from the time they're born until they have their first calf.

> > >

> > > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is

> > the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the

> > colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.

> > >

> > > Bull = un-neutered male

> > >

> > > Steer = neutered male.

> > >

> > > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals

> > over 35 years.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

See milk types A1 A2;

http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news?article=1d81b30f-8bf3-4db3-b838-e5210fead0d9

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk Discussion

There is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk

does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk.

I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]



More from the link, sorry;

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa. And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

Thanks a bunch. Our son just had a baby - breast fed. But good future informationAliceFrom: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Milk Discussioniodine Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:52 PM



More from the link, sorry;

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa. And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

Glue is made when the fat and water are removed from milk. That is why there is a pic of a cow on Elmer's Glue. That is disgusting.Milk is not that great like the gov. wants us to think it is. from IllinoisFrom: Bruce <bruce@...>iodine Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:52:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion



More from the link, sorry;

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa. And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

you may want to check out raw milk instead.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, ND <blessedark2009@...> wrote:

 

Glue is made when the fat and water are removed from milk. That is why there is a pic of a cow on Elmer's Glue. That is disgusting.Milk is not that great like the gov. wants us to think it is.

  from Illinois

From: Bruce <bruce@...>iodine

Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:52:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion 



More from the link, sorry;

 

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa.

And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

 

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

 

Bruce

 

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk.

I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

yes Bethann see Food Inc a real insight.

> > > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>> Subject: Re: Milk Discussion> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56> > > Deb,> Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who> is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs> and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to> know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,> informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,> is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have> health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other> dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and

the vet comes by> almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of> that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal> health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that> produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great> stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste> buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes> and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right> where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,> and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals> that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are> similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we> are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the> rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will

only need minimal> health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris> > > >> > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.> >> > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers> from the time they're born until they have their first calf.> >> > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is> the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the> colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.> >> > Bull = un-neutered male> >> > Steer = neutered male.>

>> > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals> over 35 years.> >> > >

[Guest guest]

interesting point Joyce,

From: Joyce Simmerman, J.D. <nativelegal@...>Subject: Re: Milk Discussion"Iodine Forum" <iodine >Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 18:17

If one wants to consider what is proper and correct with naming groups, AND one is living/referring to dairy cattle (as a VERY generic grouping) then cattle might be appropriate. That is not to say that these days "cows" is not accurate and correct for the plural, especially with dairy animals, as many, if not most dairy farmers use artificial insemination, thus there are no males in the dairy herd .. just "cows"! Many children these days do not have a clue as to what it might be to contend with the temperament of a dairy bull!!

Joyce Simmerman

There is ALWAYS a "BETTER WAY"! WE can find & make ITa "Cradle for Humanity"!

[Guest guest]

Alice,

One of the difficulties with langauage is the use of the collective noun.

Collecvtive nouns are generalisations. All farmers aren't treating their animals and the land badly. But many are.

So its true and not true.

david > >> >> > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>> > Subject: Re: Milk Discussion> > iodinegroups (DOT) com> >

Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 2:56> >> >> > Deb,> > Just wanted to let you know you aren't the lone person here who> > is/was around cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, with also 3000+ pigs> > and 1000+ acres at one time. What I'd really like everyone here to> > know, and understand, when they are searching into this very deep,> > informative and learning discussion on iodine, and optimal health,> > is that.......Cows, pigs, and other for profit animals don't have> > health insurance! They hopefully have excellent nutrition. Other> > dairy farmers didn't have excellent nutrition, and the vet comes by> > almost daily, and the dairy farmer goes out of business. Think of> > that when it pertains to your health, and your pursuit of optimal> > health. Our farm nutritionist always said that a dairy cow that> >

produces a lot over her life span, and therefore undergoes great> > stress, has 130+ taste buds, and we only have 30 something taste> > buds. Therefore when she is chewing on a tree, or dirt, she tastes> > and needs something. When she is chewing up the mineral box right> > where the iodine is, you need to check to see if it's out of iodine,> > and fill it up. She'll decide how much of whatever vitamins/minerals> > that she needs, and get her protein from hay. Their bodies are> > similar to ours. Ever chewed into a whole food vitamin? Luckily we> > are that different than the cow, and swallow it, but iodine, and the> > rest are needed by you. Hopefully someday we will only need minimal> > health insurance, that is unless cows start driving cars. Chris> >> > > > >> > > All cattle are referred to in general as 'cows'.> > >> > > Heifer = female, (that hasn't yet had a calf. They are heifers> > from the time they're born until they have their first calf.> > >> > > Cow = female that has had a calf (baby of the species). This is> > the only one that gives milk. What initially comes in is the> > colostrum for the calf, after which the actual milk begins.> > >> > > Bull =

un-neutered male> > >> > > Steer = neutered male.> > >> > > Deb, who has lived on a farm with 'cows' and other farm animals> > over 35 years.> > >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

I live in s small town and I have no transportation, yeah it sucks. I lost everything I owned in Hurricane Katrina in 2005.I have no idea where I would find raw milk but I would love to try it. I was born in Wisconsin and I love milk and cheese. Heck I love everything dairy but what they do it and then end result of the product sucks and is scary because I don't trust in their process. from IllinoisFrom: Peggy <sandltc@...>iodine Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 1:20:52 PMSubject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion

you may want to check out raw milk instead.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, ND <blessedark2009@ att.net> wrote:

Glue is made when the fat and water are removed from milk. That is why there is a pic of a cow on Elmer's Glue. That is disgusting.Milk is not that great like the gov. wants us to think it is.

from Illinois

From: Bruce <brucebkdesign (DOT) ca>iodinegroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:52:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion



More from the link, sorry;

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa.

And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk.

I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

great post Bruce.

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Milk Discussioniodine Date: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 18:41

See milk types A1 A2;http://www.nzdoctor .co.nz/news? article=1d81b30f -8bf3-4db3- b838-e5210fead0d 9Bruce Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

see Bruces post on New Zealand professors investigation of milk. Fascinating.

Glue is made when the fat and water are removed from milk. That is why there is a pic of a cow on Elmer's Glue. That is disgusting.Milk is not that great like the gov. wants us to think it is.

from Illinois

From: Bruce <brucebkdesign (DOT) ca>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:52:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: Milk Discussion



More from the link, sorry;

The A2 story started in 1993 when Professor Bob Elliott from Auckland asked whether there was a difference between the milk the Masai people of Kenya drink and the milk drunk in Western countries. Professor Elliott already knew casein was diabetogenic in rodents. He also knew Samoan children in New Zealand had 10 times the incidence of type 1 diabetes than Samoan children in Samoa. And he also knew the Masai people of Kenya, who drink very large amounts of milk, do not get type 1 diabetes. So, he rang the Dairy Research Institute, asked to speak to a milk biochemist, and then asked whether there were any differences between the Kenyan milk and our own. The answer was that there is a difference in the beta-casein.

The non-disputed facts are a mutation, occurring some thousands of years ago and affecting the forebears of modern European cattle, has meant many European cattle produce a variant of beta-casein that has the amino acid histidine in position 67 instead of proline. As a consequence, the peptide beta-casomorphin7 (BCM7, which I also call the “milk devilâ€) is released on digestion.

Bruce

Re: Re: Milk DiscussionThere is a difference in what cow milk causes problems and what cow milk does not cause allergy problems. I am about to pick up raw Guernsey milk. I also get raw Jersey milk. I am old enough to know about bulls too! Alice

[Guest guest]

One more reason they add fluoride to the water, placate them.

Make docile.

Bruce

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From: david kenna

Bethann

exactly. I can't believe they are not.

From: YardBirdMail yardbirdmail@...

Thank you

I saw that film quite a while back, and you have

to keep up with the latest links because someone

keeps getting it pulled. You'd think people would

be rioting in the streets over this stuff.

Bethann