Re: Re: harm in chelating for 36 hrs at a time (at LOW dose)?

October 5, 2008

So " redistribution greater in shorter round " is referring to TOTAL

redistribution across MANY rounds, correct? I initially thought it

meant that a single shorter round had more redistribution than a

single longer round, and that's why I was confused.

And the recommendation to go at least 3 days is so that over the

*long-term* (over many rounds), there is less redistribution?

Thanks again.

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>> Hi all,

>> I'm chelating w/ ALA only right now at 6.25 mg every 3 hours, and I'm

>> finding it difficult logistically to continue for a full 3 days.

>

> Is

>> there any harm, at such a low dose, of going only 24 hours or 36 hours

>> and then waiting until the next weekend to start again?

>>

>

> Yes

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> It's better to go at least 3 days and 2 nights, that is the minimal

> Andy recommends.

>

>> I read that redistribution is greater in shorter rounds, but I don't

>> really understand what that's the case / how it works. Can someone

>> explain?

>>

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> As long as you keep taking doses at the half life the metals keep

> moving. As soon as you stop the metals stop moving and settle out

> somewhere (redistribution). The longer the round, the more time there

> is to remove metals (gain) with the least amount of redistribution

> events (once at the end of the round).

>

> The experience with real people reveals that 3 days 2 nights is the

> minimal to get people well, and people who use schedules less than

> that don't get better (and may get worse).

>

> J

>

>> Thanks!

>>

>

October 5, 2008

This is long, sorry!, but I came up with a good analogy of

chelation.-------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

So " redistribution greater in shorter round " is referring to TOTAL

redistribution across MANY rounds, correct? I initially thought it

meant that a single shorter round had more redistribution than a

single longer round, and that's why I was confused.

----------What was saying is that in a single short round, very little

mercury will actually be excreted or carried all the way out of the body, and

there will be redistribution at the end of the round. Probably not more than at

the end of a normal round. But if you chelate for 3 days straight, you will

have one redistribution event for that round, and should have excreted a fair

amount of mercury, because you kept it moving for 3 days. If you only chelate

for one day at a time, you will have three redistribution events per the same

number of days of chelating, and since you started and stopped 3 times, probably

did not clear as much mercury all the way out, as you would have doing 3 days in

a row.

I just thought of an anology, lets see if I can explain it this way. Let's

picture the road to mercury excretion all the way out of the body as a long

conveyor belt, and packages (mercury) fall off of the end, when they complete

the whole journey. So mercury isn't excreted unless it makes it all the way to

the end of the conveyor belt and falls off.

Now, when you take chelators, they put " mercury packages " onto the conveyor

belt. The conveyor belt keeps running as long as you keep taking chelators

based on their half life. The conveyor belt stops shortly after your last dose.

The conveyor belt is long, and new packages can only be put on at the beginning

of the conveyor belt, so all packages must travel the full length of the

conveyor belt.

If the conveyor belt runs long enough, lets say for 3 days around the clock,

then a fair number of packages will have fallen off the end, and you will have

excreted a fair amount of mercury. The packages left on the conveyor belt when

you stop taking chelators will not make it to the end, and they will get

redistributed in the body. If you go longer than 3 days, then more packages

will fall off the end before it stops and redistribution happens.

If you only chelate for 1 day, then not many of the packages are going to make

it to the end of the conveyor belt and fall off. And all the packages left on

the conveyor belt will get redistributed, just as in longer rounds. At the end

of 1 day, there are many packages " near the end " of the conveyor belt, but not

quite close enough to fall off yet, so when the conveyor belt stops (chelation

stops), they get redistributed instead of excreted. If the conveyor belt would

have kept running, even for a few more hours, more of these packages would have

fallen off. So the longer the conveyor belt runs continuously, the more

packages that fall off.

Another point, each time the conveyor belt stops, all the packages left on it

are taken off. This is redistribution. Because the " mercury packages " are

attracted to the SH groups in your body, wherever they may be, and when the

strong bond of the chelator is no longer present (chelators have 2 SH groups,

your body only has single ones), then your body pulls all the packages off of

the conveyor belt. The chelators, when present, is what keeps your " mercury

packages " on the conveyor belt, because they have a stronger bond than your

body.

So each time you stop chelation, the conveyor belt is cleaned off, which is

redistribution, and you start with a clean slate, or clean conveyor belt, each

time you *restart* chelation. So it takes time to start putting packages back

on it, and it takes time for those packages to make it to the end of the

conveyor belt and actually fall off. So by the end of one day, the conveyor

belt is full, and only a few packages have fallen off. Many are ready to, but

they don't, because the conveyor belt stopped and all the packages are taken

off. And then when you start your next one day round of chelation, you have to

start all over, with only a few packages actually making it off the end of the

conveyor, and lots of packages left on and taken off (redistribution). So you

get alot of redistribution for the little excretion that happens on 1 day

rounds. So basically, starting and stopping frequently gets fewer packages off

the end than does running the conveyor belt continuously, or at least for a few

days at a time.

So, it will take much longer to get all of your packages off the end of the

conveyor belt using one day rounds, and you will have experienced much more

redistribution doing it this way also.

Now, in this analogy, then continuous chelation would sound like the way to

go, with never taking a break. But that has it's problems also. The conveyor

belt (your body) will need some downtime for repairs and maintenance, and the

operator of it (you) will probably get tired and run down and will need some

extra sleep and extra nutrients to be able to keep running the conveyor belt.

So you need some days off, to be able to run the conveyor belt efficiently and

safely.

Hope this helps. Sorry it's so long.-----------Jackie

And the recommendation to go at least 3 days is so that over the

*long-term* (over many rounds), there is less redistribution?

---------Yes, that is one reason. At the links below, Cutler talks about the

length of rounds, and in the second link, says another reason for 3 days on,

especially for adults, is because adults seem to have more psychiatric problems

when chelating on short rounds, like 1 or 2 days. He doesn't find that problem

when they go a minimum of 3 days.--------Jackie

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol#Length_of_rounds

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/37973.html