Re: Re: ---hormones

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Depue wrote:

Jackie,

I'm really sorry I missed your response last month and just saw it as

i was reviewing posts.

---------No problem, easy to do, and I do it all the time

----------Jackie

I have sent away for ZRT testing for testosterone, estrogen, and

progesterone. So should get results in a few weeks.

--------Good. Messed up hormones seems pretty common with mercury poisoning.

Have you listened to the interview of Andy by Mark Schauss? It was posted not

too long ago, and put it in the links section. Anyhow, on there, Andy

mentions what testing is usually the most useful, and testosterone levels for

men was one of them.---------Jackie

i have been tested for food allergies. I came up supposedly allergic

to eggs and milk, but after cutting them out of my diet for over a

month i noticed no difference in symptoms.

-----------That does seem odd. You think you'd notice something in that

amount of time. They could be ingredients in alot of stuff, are you sure you

cut out all sources?----------Jackie

I did a therapeutic trial of T3 and cortisol/isocort for a month - no

difference in symptoms except rapid heart rate.

my thyroid levels were always normal.

my adrenal levels 4 years ago were elevated, but taking cortisol did

not help.

--------------By elevated adrenal levels, I assume you mean cortisol, and

taking more cortisol will not help this situation. Elevated cortisol happens in

the beginning stages of adrenal fatigue, when you're body is trying to keep up

with the demands/stress put on it, and it does for awhile. In later stages, it

can no longer keep up, and cortisol levels drop, and that's when supplementing

physiological doses of cortisol can help. See this link for the 7 stages of

adrenal fatigue, and this other link explains how you treat high (and low)

cortisol.-----Jackie

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

http://www.thecompounder.com/hormonesadrenalprotocol.php

I did a blood test for total testosterone - it was 232 and that is

below the normal range...so hopefully the saliva tests will give

enough more data to indicate some sort of treatment.

----------When was the blood test? And I assume through a doctor? And he

wouldn't treat it being low? I hope the saliva test confirms this, and I hope

you can get it prescribed for you. This might be a big one for

you.---------Jackie

Thanks for your ideas -

>

> I have gone the adrenal / thyroid route before. No help

>

> ---------Do you mean you have had them tested, and they came back

normal, or do you mean you have tried treating them, and no help with

symptoms?----Jackie

>

>

>

> I do think my testosterone took a nose dive last year - but don't know

> if my basic insurance covers that kind of med.

>

> ----------Can you get your doctor to test it? If not, you can get

it tested without a doctor through ZRT labs, and you could test just

your testosterone, if you wanted to. They also have symptoms

checklists at their website, so you might want to check that out, if

you haven't already. www.zrtlab.com

>

> Also, Dr. Lee did right a small book about " Hormone Balance

for Men " , but it deals mostly with how this affects the prostate, but

at least it is focused on men. www.johnleemd.com

>

> More below-------Jackie

>

>

> > > I have pretty much been consistently worse on and off round since

> > > starting ala.

>

> ----------Did you feel somewhat better on DMSA alone? Maybe you

should do some more rounds of DMSA alone and see how you

feel.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I do not seem to react typically to mercury - it has made me

> > > constantly exhausted with no relief for 20 yrs. I don't really get

> > > ups and downs. And I think with chelating - my tiredness just gets

> > > more intense at all times. No pattern, such as worse 2 days after.

>

> ----------Maybe you are extremely sensitive and possibly also have

a mercury allergy, like Sherratt does? He has found he has to

chelate very slowly. And have you ever done something like food

allergy testing? There may be other things contributing to your

fatigue.--------Jackie

>

>

> >

> >

> > Consider adrenal issues. Adrenal support would likely help

> > tremendously. Start with diet, lifestyle modification, supplements,

> > and Rx if needed. There are lots of posts about adrenal fatigue in

> > the archives... and what to do about it in AI.

>

> -----------How long ago did you test adrenals and/or try support?

Many people find that their adrenals get worse after they have

chelated for awhile. It may be worth looking into again. And testing

all your hormones might be a good idea, if you haven't done that

recently. You're not going to feel good if these are out of balance.

You can order test kits yourself through the Canary Club.

www.canaryclub.org -----------Jackie

>

>

> >

> > J

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Depue wrote:

I did ask one pharmacy (in NY state) about Pregnenalone. They said

they could only find one reference to it in a powder form and that it

is by prescription only.

Do you buy it OTC?

--------Yes, it's OTC in the US, and so is DHEA. And progesterone cream is

too. But estrogen and testosterone are by Rx only, I believe.--------Jackie

The hormone test I ordered did not include cortisol or DHEA.

After doing more reading about hormones, I think I should test these

as well.

----------If you haven't taken the test yet, I would talk to them, because it

should be cheaper if you do it all at once, and it would be best to base

treatment on recent testing. There are different things you do for high or low

cortisol, and if DHEA is low, you will probably benefit from supplementing it.

And DHEA is a precursor to testosterone, and since that is low, it's very likely

your DHEA could be too.------Jackie

> -------------------

>

> Glad you're taking the zrt hormone test - its really helpful. Have

> you considered that you may have high cortisol? It turned out that

> was my problem which explained alot. Also, you might want to try some

> pregnenolone. Its about $8 a bottle and its a precursor to all the

> hormones. Start out low (5mg or so) and build up.

>

> Good luck,

> Val

>