Re: Vacines I need for work.

May 28, 2008

First, I'll say that you might get more info on the autism-mercury list, since

the mothers there are dealing with these issues, and the issue of titers for

their children, on a continual basis - but yes, this is absolutely a concern.

DPT is a particularly bad one. While my knowledge is limited, I do know that

DPT had so many bad effects that it was replaced by DTaP.

As for the mercury content, the answer is also probably yes, but you can look

up the particular vaccine your doctor wants to give you on the FDA web site:

http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

If you can't get around this, find out which of the three they want, D, P or T;

then get just that one.

Remember, there are more problems with vaccines than just mercury, and those

problems are serious (aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethonol, polysorbate80,

chronic immune disregulation, the list goes on).

Dave.

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Posted by: " cfiatzph " cfiatzph@... cfiatzph

Tue May 27, 2008 8:30 pm (PDT)

I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

the following

Mumps

proof of immunization or positive titer

Measles (rubeola)

born before 1957 or

documentation of receipt of two (2) doses of live measles vaccine

after first birthday and no less than one month apart, or

physician diagnosed measles, or

documentation of immune titer proving immunity

Rubella

rubella vaccine given after one year of age, or

documentation of immune titer proving immunity, or

age greater than 40

DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus

immunization within the last five years

PPD (tuberculin)

skin test good for one year

chest x-ray good for two years

Chicken Pox

current immunization or proof of positive titer

Most of these have titer's so I would do that over the actual shot.

Some like the DPT/DT/Tetanus are required. Is this a concern? Do

these still typically have mercury in them? Andy mentions the risk of

auto immune conditions. What am I to do? How about if later in my

career I need Hep A B C vacs?

Thanks

May 28, 2008

TK--- yes these are all very much a concern in my opinion because of

the ingredients and side effects, especialy if you are already Hg

toxic and having problems.

Not the best field to get into imo if you need to stay away from

current and possible update vaccinations required for emergency

personnel. Most end up running into things they do not find out

about until after an incident at which time they are required to be

vaccinated to continue working ie Hep.

>

> I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

> the following

>

> Mumps

> proof of immunization or positive titer

> Measles (rubeola)

> born before 1957 or

> documentation of receipt of two (2) doses of live measles vaccine

> after first birthday and no less than one month apart, or

> physician diagnosed measles, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity

> Rubella

> rubella vaccine given after one year of age, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity, or

> age greater than 40

> DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus

> immunization within the last five years

> PPD (tuberculin)

> skin test good for one year

> chest x-ray good for two years

> Chicken Pox

> current immunization or proof of positive titer

>

> Most of these have titer's so I would do that over the actual

shot.

> Some like the DPT/DT/Tetanus are required. Is this a concern? Do

> these still typically have mercury in them? Andy mentions the risk

of

> auto immune conditions. What am I to do? How about if later in my

> career I need Hep A B C vacs?

>

> Thanks

>

May 28, 2008

DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus.......Is DTaP fill the requirement for all

(DPT/DT/TD/Tetanus)? Thats the only one the health department lists

here. Luckily I found my vaccine book and have a 2 good MMRs....So I

am good there. As far as chicken pox I'll just have to do the titer.

So it looks like really only DTaP that I need? I have been chelating

off and on for about 1 1/2 and feel much better...most of my effects

were from copper and adrenal problem. I did have a bad hair test so I

was at least somewhat toxic.

I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

> >

> > I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

> > the following

> >

> > Mumps

> > proof of immunization or positive titer

> > Measles (rubeola)

> > born before 1957 or

> > documentation of receipt of two (2) doses of live measles vaccine

> > after first birthday and no less than one month apart, or

> > physician diagnosed measles, or

> > documentation of immune titer proving immunity

> > Rubella

> > rubella vaccine given after one year of age, or

> > documentation of immune titer proving immunity, or

> > age greater than 40

> > DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus

> > immunization within the last five years

> > PPD (tuberculin)

> > skin test good for one year

> > chest x-ray good for two years

> > Chicken Pox

> > current immunization or proof of positive titer

> >

> > Most of these have titer's so I would do that over the actual

> shot.

> > Some like the DPT/DT/Tetanus are required. Is this a concern? Do

> > these still typically have mercury in them? Andy mentions the risk

> of

> > auto immune conditions. What am I to do? How about if later in my

> > career I need Hep A B C vacs?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

May 28, 2008

I mean is TDaP the same as DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus?

Any mercury harm in doing the PPD test (TB skin test?)?

Thanks

>

> I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

> the following

>

> Mumps

> proof of immunization or positive titer

> Measles (rubeola)

> born before 1957 or

> documentation of receipt of two (2) doses of live measles vaccine

> after first birthday and no less than one month apart, or

> physician diagnosed measles, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity

> Rubella

> rubella vaccine given after one year of age, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity, or

> age greater than 40

> DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus

> immunization within the last five years

> PPD (tuberculin)

> skin test good for one year

> chest x-ray good for two years

> Chicken Pox

> current immunization or proof of positive titer

>

> Most of these have titer's so I would do that over the actual shot.

> Some like the DPT/DT/Tetanus are required. Is this a concern? Do

> these still typically have mercury in them? Andy mentions the risk of

> auto immune conditions. What am I to do? How about if later in my

> career I need Hep A B C vacs?

>

> Thanks

>

May 29, 2008

>

> I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

TK--- I believe there are still multiuse vials that contain

preservative - you the patient would need to look and check the actual

vial before anyone gives you anything as they do not believe it is

harmful.

May 29, 2008

> >

>

> >

> > I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

>

> TK--- I believe there are still multiuse vials that contain

> preservative - you the patient would need to look and check the actual

> vial before anyone gives you anything as they do not believe it is

> harmful.

>

The FDA website for the particular shot TDaP say there is two

manufactuers that is used in the US.....no trace of thermisol....I

just ask to see the vial before they inject?

Thanks

May 29, 2008

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

> >

> > TK--- I believe there are still multiuse vials that contain

> > preservative - you the patient would need to look and check the

actual

> > vial before anyone gives you anything as they do not believe it

is

> > harmful.

> >

>

> The FDA website for the particular shot TDaP say there is two

> manufactuers that is used in the US.....no trace of thermisol..

...I

> just ask to see the vial before they inject?

TK--- if you decide to do this I would recommend watching them draw

it up and inspect the vial before injecting. So you know what they

are giving you. Do not rely on them to be accurate or concerned.

they do not believe these are dangerous and many times have given

people injections that included preservatives when the patient

specifically asked them to use one without. unfortunately some of

these patients did not find out what was done until after and

suffered for it.

>

> Thanks

>

May 29, 2008

>Posted by: " cfiatzph " cfiatzph@... cfiatzph

Wed May 28, 2008 8:58 am (PDT)

>DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus.......Is DTaP fill the requirement for all

(DPT/DT/TD/Tetanus)?

Yes. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying that DPT was particularly bad. Try

to get the one they want, D, P or T, separately. You may have to get your

doctor to order it, since they usually wont' have it around.

>Thats the only one the health department lists

here. Luckily I found my vaccine book and have a 2 good MMRs....So I

am good there. As far as chicken pox I'll just have to do the titer.

>So it looks like really only DTaP that I need?

They may not need all three, and try not to get all three at once. The more at

once the worse it is.

>I have been chelating

off and on for about 1 1/2 and feel much better...most of my effects

were from copper and adrenal problem.

First of all, you don't chelate for copper, so what were you chelating for?

Secondly, if you have not had a post-copper-protocol test done, you need to do

it. Once you've dealt with one problem, the next problem tends to show up more

clearly.

>I did have a bad hair test so I was at least somewhat toxic.

Bad in what way? Was there more than copper? Do you want to post it?

>I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

No.

They asked the manufacturers to pretty please take the thimerosal out of the

children's vaccines. There are no laws, it was just a request. The

manufacturers somewhat complied for _pediatric_ vaccines in the US, and now

some in Canada/EU/Australia also; but it is still there in every other country

in the world (at three times the level ever put in vaccines here), it is still

there in adult vaccines, it is still in the flu shot (which is now mandated for

children 2x in the first year of life and then every year until age 18), and it

is present in " trace quantities " in the other pediatric vaccines, since they

don't manufacture it without thimerosal, instead they have continued to

manufacture it as they always did and then they filter it out at the end.

Those " trace quantities " , even if smaller than what they had been dosing us and

our kids with before, are not at all trivial.

I've got to tell you, if you are vaccine damaged and have had to chelate, you

should really think twice before doing this to yourself again. It will be

worse the second time around.

Dave.

May 29, 2008

You want the Quantiferron test. It's a blood test, you only have to go in

once, it's accurate (as opposed to the skin prick which has high false

positives) and they don't have to inject any foreign proteins under the skin.

D = Diphtheria

P = Pertussis

T = Tetanus

a = a-cellular

If you want to keep from being damaged again, you really need to turn the

question of vaccines into a research project. I suggest you get on the web and

start searching. Wikipedia is a fairly good place to start. Don't believe

everything there, but it will give you at least a bit of an outline of what to

look into in more depth.

Dave.

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Posted by: " cfiatzph " cfiatzph@... cfiatzph

Wed May 28, 2008 9:27 am (PDT)

I mean is TDaP the same as DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus?

Any mercury harm in doing the PPD test (TB skin test?)?

Thanks

May 29, 2008

Vaccine mom from A-M, here is our take on this...

DPT contains mercury, as do the shots when given separately. Doesn't

matter how you get them, they all contain mercury in various amounts.

Even though, they tout that there are mercury free vaccines. This is

misleading, if you read the package inserts, they admit to traces of

mercury in them. The exception is live virus vaccines like MMR. This

has no mercury but is a live viruses of measles, mumps, rubella. This

shot has put many children over the threshold into full autism.

After seeing what shots did to my child, and to others...no way!

Where does this leave you? Not down and out yet...

From the requirements you listed...can you get your childhood

immunization records? Or do you have them? Your current doctor may

have them if you ever transferred from a family, or pediatrician and

had your records sent. Often times your old school records or college

records also have your immunizations listed.

If you were vaccinated as a child, you have already had two or more

doses of MMR, Two or more DPT's, more than two Td (usually).

As for the dpt in the last five years?? Have you had one? If not, this

might be a problem. Unless you look at claiming religious exemption

for all vaccinations. (not sure how this will affect getting the job

but you can try it. (See vaclib.org)

The TTD skin antigen you may have already had done, for college or a

job previously. This would not be a huge concern to have done if not.

Did you have chicken pox already? If you had it, or any of the others

like measles, you can prove immunity by testing for antibodies to

these, or a statement from the doctor who saw you when you did have

it. (titres)

Mom's on A-M know the right tests to order to check for immunity to

these diseases if you wish to go that route.

Dave is right, that it's more than just mercury...

>

> First, I'll say that you might get more info on the autism-mercury

list, since

> the mothers there are dealing with these issues, and the issue of

titers for

> their children, on a continual basis - but yes, this is absolutely a

concern.

> DPT is a particularly bad one. While my knowledge is limited, I do

know that

> DPT had so many bad effects that it was replaced by DTaP.

>

> As for the mercury content, the answer is also probably yes, but you

can look

> up the particular vaccine your doctor wants to give you on the FDA

web site:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

>

> If you can't get around this, find out which of the three they want,

D, P or T;

> then get just that one.

>

> Remember, there are more problems with vaccines than just mercury,

and those

> problems are serious (aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethonol,

polysorbate80,

> chronic immune disregulation, the list goes on).

>

> Dave.

>

> -----------

>

> Posted by: " cfiatzph " cfiatzph@... cfiatzph

> Tue May 27, 2008 8:30 pm (PDT)

>

> I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

> the following

>

> Mumps

> proof of immunization or positive titer

> Measles (rubeola)

> born before 1957 or

> documentation of receipt of two (2) doses of live measles vaccine

> after first birthday and no less than one month apart, or

> physician diagnosed measles, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity

> Rubella

> rubella vaccine given after one year of age, or

> documentation of immune titer proving immunity, or

> age greater than 40

> DPT / DT /TD / Tetanus

> immunization within the last five years

> PPD (tuberculin)

> skin test good for one year

> chest x-ray good for two years

> Chicken Pox

> current immunization or proof of positive titer

>

> Most of these have titer's so I would do that over the actual shot.

> Some like the DPT/DT/Tetanus are required. Is this a concern? Do

> these still typically have mercury in them? Andy mentions the risk of

> auto immune conditions. What am I to do? How about if later in my

> career I need Hep A B C vacs?

>

> Thanks

>

May 29, 2008

Yes, TDaP is the same thing.

No mercury in the TB test.

DTaP: diptheria, tetanus, 9acellular) pertussis

DTP: diptheria, tetanus, pertussis

TDaP: Tetanus, Diptheria, pertussis (acellular)

DT: diptheria, tetanus

TD: tetanus, diptheria

T: just tetanus

Vaccine FYI's: diptheria is contracted from drinking contaminated

water, usually sewage. Tetanus is not from rusty nails, but a from a

germ that lives dormant in soil contaminated with the animal feces of

an animal infected with tetanus. Upon which you must have a very deep

cut come in contact with said soil, and then not wash that cut to

actually get tetanus. If the cut were deep enough to be at risk for

tetanus, you are usually in an ER getting stitches, in which they

irrigate the wound. And the risk of tetanus is gone.

Pertussis: whooping cough, as I have read, if you get this as an

adult, it's not much more than a cough that last a long time. Not the

scary thing they show you in the movies that infants get. They treat

this with antibiotics.

> >

> > I am looking at becoming a EMT. To enter the program I have to get

> > the following

<snip>

May 29, 2008

This is what they are telling people. The manufacturer inserts say

that thimerosal is used to manufacture the vaccine and " removed "

before the final product but traces may remain. Adult vaccines, do not

have these reduced doses. They contain 25mcg of thimerosal per

vaccine. The reduced versions provided for children contain a lot of

aluminum now. The mercury and aluminum are synergistic toxins and we

are finding children are still becoming autistic with this new

formulation. I also have found articles and videos that show that

vaccines are not mercury free. (a walk on water)

A parent group purchased some childhood vaccines and then raised the

money to send them to Doctor's Data for independent testing. These

were supposed " mercury free " vaccines. The test results were

surprising. They revealed that the " mercury free " vaccines, some of

them had more mercury than their original versions.

What we advise on A-M for anyone serious about metal toxicity and trying to

recover themselves or their child is: No vaccines ever, no fish and avoid all

sources of metal you can control.

The choice of course is up to you. Just remember that if you have any

vaccines, you cannot use ALA for three months.

> >

> > I thought they stopped with thimerosal in vaccines?

>

> TK--- I believe there are still multiuse vials that contain

> preservative - you the patient would need to look and check the actual

> vial before anyone gives you anything as they do not believe it is

> harmful.

>

May 30, 2008

Jada,

Didn't they also find aluminum in the vaccines as well?

Robyn

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