Re: Natural healing-speed CC grows/Chris

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:18:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

chrischristoph@... writes:

Donelle,

Thats the irony of the whole situation.

When Mike had his operation the surgeon went to great lengths to reassure us

that his liver was clear. Yet despite 12 sessions of chemo he now has mets

to the liver!

Having surgery must release it into the blood stream.

I wonder if anyone has compared the results of patients who received chemo

before the op as opposed to those only post op and which group did better with

regards to mets or no mets?

Chris

Happy New Year, Chris!!!

I've always wondered if the liver mets were already there?? We didn't have

enough knowledge to even ask...I'll have to look back at my notes to see what

testing was done to start with, but from my best recollection, Glenn only

had a colonoscopy and then the surgery. Don't think the liver was ever even

checked. And with a tumor as large as his...they said it was probably 10 yrs.

in the growing... wouldn't you think they would check for mets, esp. after

cancerous lymph nodes were found?? I'm also curious as to when they actually

did a CT or something.... I would like to get those xrays....was the liver

addressed?? This is so sad .... and what happens when one is not

knowledgeable...

I realize Glenn had some other stuff going on in his body...including

previous liver damage from when he was a " young and tender sailor " that he was

only

vaguely aware of...had never had any problems at all....at that time, they

told him not to worry about it.....he quit drinking 20+ yrs ago... plus the

uncontrolled diabetes, bad eating habits, etc. etc. But, I, too, would be

interested to know if chemo prior to surgery results in better odds.

We are praying for you and Mike...give him a hug for us and ask him to keep

fighting...he can beat this damn monster!!

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

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In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:48:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

m_womack@... writes:

I think it is automatic for them to check all the other organs when they do

a resection. I believe they feel and look for the mets. The first thing

once colon cancer is found should be to do the CEA test for the pre-surgery

level, and a CAT scan to check for mets. My husband had both of these done on

the day he had his colonoscopy before he went home to return the next day for

the surgery.

But micromets cannot be detected even with a PET scan.

MA

Interesting, Ann... I'm going to check our records re: a CT Scan, just

out of curiosity. But, one thing's for sure, if nothing was detected at the

time of the discovery of the colon cancer and prior to or after surgery

resection, then the liver mets surely did grow fast within 8 months, while he

was

on chemo, to the point of being inoperable. Scary crap!!

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

[Guest guest]

I think it is automatic for them to check all the other organs when they do a

resection. I believe they feel and look for the mets. The first thing once

colon cancer is found should be to do the CEA test for the pre-surgery level,

and a CAT scan to check for mets. My husband had both of these done on the day

he had his colonoscopy before he went home to return the next day for the

surgery.

But micromets cannot be detected even with a PET scan.

MA

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Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:55 AM

Subject: Re: Natural healing-speed CC grows/Chris

In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:18:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

chrischristoph@... writes:

Donelle,

Thats the irony of the whole situation.

When Mike had his operation the surgeon went to great lengths to reassure us

that his liver was clear. Yet despite 12 sessions of chemo he now has mets

to the liver!

Having surgery must release it into the blood stream.

I wonder if anyone has compared the results of patients who received chemo

before the op as opposed to those only post op and which group did better

with

regards to mets or no mets?

Chris

Happy New Year, Chris!!!

I've always wondered if the liver mets were already there?? We didn't have

enough knowledge to even ask...I'll have to look back at my notes to see what

testing was done to start with, but from my best recollection, Glenn only

had a colonoscopy and then the surgery. Don't think the liver was ever even

checked. And with a tumor as large as his...they said it was probably 10 yrs.

in the growing... wouldn't you think they would check for mets, esp. after

cancerous lymph nodes were found?? I'm also curious as to when they

actually

did a CT or something.... I would like to get those xrays....was the liver

addressed?? This is so sad .... and what happens when one is not

knowledgeable...

I realize Glenn had some other stuff going on in his body...including

previous liver damage from when he was a " young and tender sailor " that he

was only

vaguely aware of...had never had any problems at all....at that time, they

told him not to worry about it.....he quit drinking 20+ yrs ago... plus the

uncontrolled diabetes, bad eating habits, etc. etc. But, I, too, would be

interested to know if chemo prior to surgery results in better odds.

We are praying for you and Mike...give him a hug for us and ask him to keep

fighting...he can beat this damn monster!!

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn