Re: What to do if you cant tolerate pro-biotics

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> > How would i go about replenishing the good bacteria? also foods with

>

> You can use lacto-fermented vegetables, such as sauerkraut, kimchi,

and the

Not everyone can handle cultured vegetables. Someone who is

sensitive to probiotics would be wise to start with a small amount

(a teaspoon per day) and work up slowly to be sure this doesn't

cause problems.

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> like. You can lacto-ferement any vegetable. The book Wild

Fermentation by

> Sandor Katz has recipes.

> http://www.wildfermentation.com/books_wildfermentation.php

>

> KerryAnn

> http://www.cookingtf.com/ - American and Australian TF Menu Mailers

> http://www.tfrecipes.com/forum/ - Traditional Foods forum

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi, i cant tolerate pro-biotics and havent been able to for the

last 6

> months,

Have you tried non dairy source acidophilus?

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> Hi, i cant tolerate pro-biotics and havent been able to for the

last 6

> months,

******Anyone know what causes this, the intolerance to probiotics? After

years of giving our little one probiotics she is now intolerant to them.

Although she is not allergic to milk we tried the dairy free, same problem.

Her CDSA stool test indicated she had high normal amounts of lactobacillus but

low/normal bifidobacterium and I was told by the Metametrix people that it's

best to have higher bifidobacterer species than lactobacillus. We tried just the

bifidobacterium, but was still a no go.

I do notice that most probiotics have more lactobacillus than bifidobacter.

But any ideas why the intolerance?

Have you tried non dairy source acidophilus?

[Guest guest]

> Is there anyway you can go into more information please instead of

> purchasing abook from overseas which could take weeks ?

?? You can get it off of Amazon, it's not an overseas book. The author

lives in TN.

There's a basic recipe on my webpage-

http://www.cookingtf.com/mailerhelp.html

KerryAnn

http://www.cookingtf.com/ - American and Australian TF Menu Mailers

http://www.tfrecipes.com/forum/ - Traditional Foods forum

[Guest guest]

Maybe contact the company that makes them to find out whether anything changed.

Sometimes they change the filler or the capsule or the substance that makes the

powder run smoothly so they can do mass capsule fillings on machines. I wonder

if a change in the way they grow them - the culture that they live on - would

make a difference?

Although they do quality control testing they won't know that it is having a

negative impact if no one complains or checks it out.

I think the companies also play around with different strains of the

lactobacillus and bifidus, looking for the particular strain that will last

longer or perform better or whatever. So it might still say 'lactobacillus' or

'bifidus' on the label but these are just like the family surname, not

identifying the individual strain.

Gail

To: frequent-dose-chelation@...: Ladyshrink111@...:

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:18:05 -0400Subject: Re: Re: What

to do if you cant tolerate pro-biotics

----- Original Message ----- > Hi, i cant tolerate pro-biotics and havent

been able to for the last 6 > months, ******Anyone know what causes this, the

intolerance to probiotics? After years of giving our little one probiotics she

is now intolerant to them. Although she is not allergic to milk we tried the

dairy free, same problem.Her CDSA stool test indicated she had high normal

amounts of lactobacillus but low/normal bifidobacterium and I was told by the

Metametrix people that it's best to have higher bifidobacterer species than

lactobacillus. We tried just the bifidobacterium, but was still a no go.I do

notice that most probiotics have more lactobacillus than bifidobacter.But any

ideas why the intolerance?Have you tried non dairy source

acidophilus?

[Guest guest]

I have another suggestion concerning your gut problems.  Discerning between

" regular strength digestive enzymes " and ones with more specialized and powerful

blends was an important discovery for me.  I didn't notice any helpful results

using enzymes until I tried " No Fenol " from wwwhoustonni.com.  They are really

helping my digestion and helping battle yeast.  I've since added a couple more

of their blends.  I saw the No Fenol and other related enzyme products (from

other companies too.  I'm sure there are many with comparable products) being

mentioned and recommended a lot by the parents on the Autism-Mercury list.  Good

Luck.

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From:

Maybe it is not intolerance to the probiotics but rather to the

toxins released when the pathogens die. Could be she has a different

strain of yeast (or other pathogen) than she has had before and it

releases nastier toxins.

====>,

Never thought of this and her yeast has presented differently than in the

past. We've never tried psyllium fiber, she appears to get plenty of fiber in

her diet as she eats about 10-12 servings of vegetables/fruit/whole wheat in her

diet, is it different somehow?

We have done charcoal, certainly could repeat it.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

The symptoms you describe sound like candida overgrowth, rather than

probiotic intolerance...at least in my two years experience with it

this is what we see. It's possible that you may have to take activated

charcoal a few hours after to absorb the die off that is causing the

bloating. I have seen these same symptoms when too much yeast is

present. The gas, bloating can also be die off of all that yeast when

you begin the probiotics.

Essentially, when you first begin probiotics, you want to go slow and

low, gradually working up the dose..to decrease the die off reaction

(ie bloating, gas etc). After a time, when your tolerating the

probiotics better, you can add antifungals to deal with candida. Since

one should not be used without the other.

It can depend on what brand, and type of probiotics you use too, not

all are created equal.

You can also go for a candida diet, which will help get rid of

overgrowth without antifungals and then perhaps allow the gut to

repair a bit, so you can tolerate some of these other things. A book

called The Yeast Connection was very helpful in dealing with gut

problems in many ways.

Also consider finding probiotics that are dairy free. Not everyone can

take the dairy forms. Kefir, fermented veggies, like sauerkraut etc...

Just some ideas...maybe something will help. But I do see in both

myself and my kids..the white tongue, gas, bloating...when we have a

candida problem.

>

> Hi, i cant tolerate pro-biotics and havent been able to for the last 6

> months, i get really bloated and the coating on my tongue gets worse

> after taking them, even if its just one tablet.

>

> How would i go about replenishing the good bacteria? also foods with

> natural pro-biotics (banana/yougurt ect,,) i am unable to eat. So if

> ive not been taking any but yet its all getting destroyed from the

> mercury and anti fungals, this could be one of the reasons im getting

> worse and not better, but what can i do about it ?

>