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I am wondering if anyone else seems to have almost constant vague abdominal pain

like I do. It never goes away, just sometimes diminishes a bit. It feels as if

my intestines are constantly clenched tightly like a fist. I had thought that

maybe the mercury is causing either the nerves or the muscles themselves to

cramp constantly, similar to the way my jaw constantly clenches, whether I am

awake or asleep. I did some research and mercury does seem to have this effect

on muscle tissue but I can't say for sure that's why my gut is sore. It got

temporarly better while taking Flagyl so I am not sure what is going on there,

as that would indicate a bacterial infection. Anyone get this symptom?

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I had a HUGE amount of gut pain, irritable bowel with

constant clenching and constipation and a jolt like spasm in

my gut...

Magnesium , alot --- like 2000-3000 mg daily... got rid of the

constipation.

Hydrochloric acid and enxymes including ox bile helped with

nausea,

THen lecithin helped with the terrible clenching..You need to

take alot... but if you buy the granules it does not cost a

heck of alot.. email me if you would like to know how to take

it.

Two chelations ago the pain { burning like pain} went away

totally in my upper GI,,,

My lower bowel pain is helped with homeopathic of Ecoli.

plus D-mannose which also helps with ecoli infection.

My shoulder/neck pain is getting less --- it is helped

with homeopathic simian virus , which helps with this virus

which lodges in the shoulder and neck and brain.

SO after 31 years of trying everything in the book for

help , and after 8 months doing frequent dose I can atest

stick to the frequent dose !!!.. it is marvellous

Nanciwell

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> I am wondering if anyone else seems to have almost constant vague

abdominal pain like I do. It never goes away, just sometimes

diminishes a bit. It feels as if my intestines are constantly

clenched tightly like a fist. I had thought that maybe the mercury

is causing either the nerves or the muscles themselves to cramp

constantly, similar to the way my jaw constantly clenches, whether I

am awake or asleep. I did some research and mercury does seem to

have this effect on muscle tissue but I can't say for sure that's why

my gut is sore. It got temporarly better while taking Flagyl so I am

not sure what is going on there, as that would indicate a bacterial

infection. Anyone get this symptom?

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> p.s. I couldn't find your hair test, but Dave's interpretation

> says you have an all low test - Andy has said this type of test

> suggests a need for more stomach acid and other support for

> digestion/absorption (eg digestive enzymes). I had an all low

> test and it improved dramatically after I added hcl (enzymes

> helped with symptoms, but didn't improve the hair test).

I had an all-low hair test too, which according to HTI (pg. 45), may be an

indicator of

malabsorption. As said, taking steps to improve absorption of

nutrients is

important.

I wish I had made the connection back then when I had my hair test, but IMO that

was a

red flag for me, all-low hair test ===> malabsorption ===> gluten intolerance.

Since

giving up gluten a year ago, and addressing other gut problems, I've been

feeling MUCH

better.

Although I never had abdominal pain, I know several people who gave up gluten as

a trial,

then tested it, and had severe, noticable GI distress.

HTH,

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> I still think if Flagyl helps, a pathogen seems likely. If there

> is a bile flow problem as Nanciwell suggested, it could be because

> the pathogen is somehow blocking bile flow. Yeast and parasites can

> apparently get into the liver and cause trouble. If Flagyl directly

> improves bile flow, I expect other people who have used it would

> report this and it would be a known effect of the drug (maybe it

> is, I don't know).

>

I agree, although it is hard to get a prescription for it if nothing

shows up on tests as doctors are not really happy to prescribe it even

though it works and I haven't had a bad reaction to it. You could be

right about parasites blocking bile flow, as I know there are some

parasites that live in the bile ducts. Not sure how to test for that

unless the metametrix tests can find something like that. I think I

will get one of those just to be sure. Any particular test you would

recommend? The DNA test sounds interesting but expensive probably.

> They are probably reasonably accurate for pathogens in your colon,

> but not the small intestine, or stomach, or liver, etc. I think it

> is worth doing them once, but probably not repeatedly.

>

> You might want to look into SIBO (small intestine bacterial

> overgrowth). This is supposed to be a common cause of IBS. Try

> searching for " Mark Pimental IBS SIBO " or similar. I think SCD

> (specific carbohydrate diet) is especially helpful for this problem.

> There is a hydrogen breath test for SIBO, but you could also just

> try the diet and see if it helps. There are a number of websites

> for SCD, here is the one I remember:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.org/

I actually did a round of the expensive antibiotic that Pimental used,

Rifaximin, and it didn't do a darn thing. Took Flagyl a couple weeks

later and boom, instant relief!

> > > Did your symptoms stay improved for awhile after you stopped the

> > > Flagyl, or did they come back right away?

It has varied, although the last few times it seems that about 4 weeks

later the symptoms return quite suddenly. This made me suspect a

pathogen since it often takes about a month for eggs to hatch and

start the cycle all over again. Abdominal pain is usually the first

symptom to return, then diarrhea, borborygmus, yellow stool, tinnitus,

eye problems etc.

> I wonder if it is actually the improved immune function that

> persists, or if it just takes some time for the imbalanced flora

> to develop again to the point that it causes symptoms.

At this point I am confused, since nothing seems to make a bit of

difference except the Flagyl, and since Flagyl has antibacterial,

antiprotozoan and immunological effects it isn't diagnostic. They use

Flagyl for all sorts of things it shouldn't work on but does like

Rosecea, Crohns etc. Taking probiotics, diets, supplements, nothing

makes any difference at all. So far the only thing that has made any

difference is the Flagyl.

> Your hair test says to take betaine hcl regularly. Digestive enzymes

> can also help to digest stuff better before it goes lower in your gut

> where it can feed the bad pathogens.

I have been taking betaine with meals but it hasn't made a lot of

difference. Even taking 2-3 capsules.

> Mercury screws up the flora imbalance in our guts in various ways.

> It screws up immune function which can allow the bad flora to

> proliferate, (I think) it can directly kill the good flora, it can

> reduce stomach acid which normally kills the pathogenic stuff that

> comes in with food, it can cause reduced adrenal function which

> impairs the body's ability to fight infections, and perhaps other

> effects, too.

I was also wondering about magnesium and how it can affect the gut

muscles. I am low according to my hair test and I do experience a lot

of muscle spasms, ticks, and twitches. If the same were true of the

gut muscles I wonder if that can screw your digestion up to the point

where IBS symptoms start to happen.

> So parasites and other pathogen problems are not an uncommon problem

> in people with mercury problems.

Its been a battle since regular doctors don't put much tender in

parasites, hair tests, mercury poisoning, mineral deficits etc.

The alternative doctors think everyone has candida, lyme, and

parasites. I need a doctor who doesn't have preconceived notions

about what the problem is and just goes by symptoms and test results.

An actual scientist if you know what I mean, but they all seem to have

an agenda.

After having sudden onset joint problems after getting a full

vaccination panel for immigration reasons last year, it pointed me in

the direction of Hg toxicity since a couple of them had Hg in them,

and my symptoms seem to be a match. The fact that I have 10 fillings

that are 30 years old and hav had these symptoms for a long time, made

me explore the Hg issue. My father died of supposed Alzheimers last

year, but he also had a mouth filled with amalgam, and now that I look

back at his symptoms they all match Hg poisoning. I wish I had known

about this stuff then so I could have at least given him a hair test.

It has made me wonder if my family is genetically sensitive to Hg and

has caused problems like this.

Many thanks,

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Dear , I had terrific abdominal pain when I started to chelate

with DMSA - I only use ALA now. After a trip to the A & E, my doctor

gave me Lansoprazole which thankfully did the trick.

YOurs kindly RObert

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> > I am wondering if anyone else seems to have almost constant vague

> abdominal pain like I do. It never goes away, just sometimes

> diminishes a bit. It feels as if my intestines are constantly

> clenched tightly like a fist. I had thought that maybe the mercury

is

> causing either the nerves or the muscles themselves to cramp

> constantly, similar to the way my jaw constantly clenches, whether I

> am awake or asleep. I did some research and mercury does seem to

have

> this effect on muscle tissue but I can't say for sure that's why my

> gut is sore. It got temporarly better while taking Flagyl so I am

not

> sure what is going on there, as that would indicate a bacterial

> infection. Anyone get this symptom?

> >

> >

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