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Just making sure, is phosphatidylserine the same as phosphorylated serine?

Phosphorylated serine has a ACTH-damping effect and will cause decreased

cortisol production. It is used when you have a saliva test that shows high

cortisol, so if you have hypoadrenalism then you would make matters worse

when taking this supplement.

Presumably it has other effects other than lowering cortisol.

DeanSA

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Hello .

I am wondering since you do have some coffee, that your memory

problem may be from something else other than pure brain

function.

I find that when I am starting to feel dopey , it can also

mean my blood sugar levels are low. Anything that feeds us also

affects our brain. If you are still consuming coffee that

would help you not feel so much the fatigue that also goes

along with low blood sugar ..

I would get off the coffee. In our state we should not be

having any as it is hard on our adrenals. If you feel very

tired once off the coffee , I find the mineral chromium

marvellous. It is one of those miracle things for me... It

pops me right into mental alertness. Of course we are all

different and hypoglycemia can have other problems at its root.

It could be you need adrenal support too.HAve you had the

saliva test for adrenals??

nanci

>

> I work hard for every (simple or

> not so simple - if it is new, it is a struggle) concept learned AND

> retained....am I better served by sticking with the pregnenolone,

> which helps immensely (plus takes my coffee consumption down

> considerably)...

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I sooo have no idea? will check that - I am thinking I really want to

avoid lowering my cortisol ;) which would take it off the list of

things to " maybe try " rather quickly :) thanks, elizabeth

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " DeanNetwork "

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>

>

> Just making sure, is phosphatidylserine the same as phosphorylated

serine?

>

> Phosphorylated serine has a ACTH-damping effect and will cause

decreased

> cortisol production. It is used when you have a saliva test that

shows high

> cortisol, so if you have hypoadrenalism then you would make matters

worse

> when taking this supplement.

> Presumably it has other effects other than lowering cortisol.

> DeanSA

>

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Hi ,

Check this website page:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ps/

Phosphatidylserine does lower cortisol but it can be used to manage

cortisol levels in a way that supports the adrenals. Early on in the

adrenal exhaustion picture the cortisol levels are upside down - low in

the morning when they should be high to wake you up, and high in the

evening when they should be low to put you to sleep.

I think I followed a link from the stopthethyroidmadness to another

site which suggested phosphatidylserine 300-800mg before bedtime to get

a good night's sleep.

Gail

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Nanci..chuckling - coffee is definitely a crutch. Finding better

crutches, well, that has been tougher...The chromium I may add in

again - didn't feel so good in past, throw it in every once in a while

to check, has been some amount of time tho...My adrenals have improved

vastly, was rather afraid at one point that they might be totally shot

& hypoglycemic symptoms have been huge over the years (with hindsite,

that is, ug)..those are so very much improved also, tho I still avoid

the fruit juices, they will zonk me out in a heartbeat ;) Hmmm,

fairly certain that pituitary connections end up being the biggest

underlying " thing " for me....thanks! elizabeth

> >

> > I work hard for every (simple or

> > not so simple - if it is new, it is a struggle) concept learned AND

> > retained....am I better served by sticking with the pregnenolone,

> > which helps immensely (plus takes my coffee consumption down

> > considerably)...

>

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Dean....A quick (yahoo) search got me the site/info below...

Does the info at this site sound correct (enough) to you? no mention

of ACTH, but based on the bits that are there, that is enough for me

to put it on the " avoid this supp " list - does this sound reasonable

to you?

Url for site - http://www.drdebe.com/phosphorylatedser.html

thanks, elizabeth

>

>

> Just making sure, is phosphatidylserine the same as phosphorylated

serine?

>

> Phosphorylated serine has a ACTH-damping effect and will cause

decreased

> cortisol production. It is used when you have a saliva test that

shows high

> cortisol, so if you have hypoadrenalism then you would make matters

worse

> when taking this supplement.

> Presumably it has other effects other than lowering cortisol.

> DeanSA

>

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Gail, others - I just looked at this (different url, tho ;) the url

given didn't work, so did it this way...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ps/ (links to)

http://www.raysahelian.com/ps.html

This high cortisol at nite was a constant for me for many many

years...I still occasionally have this problem, a couple times a month

maybe (sooo like that improvement :) Would this be a good thing to

try during those times? Is there a (lesser) thing to try first?

...none are coming to mind for me right now...thanks! elizabeth

>

> Hi ,

>

> Check this website page:

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ps/

>

> Phosphatidylserine does lower cortisol but it can be used to manage

> cortisol levels in a way that supports the adrenals. Early on in the

> adrenal exhaustion picture the cortisol levels are upside down - low in

> the morning when they should be high to wake you up, and high in the

> evening when they should be low to put you to sleep.

>

> I think I followed a link from the stopthethyroidmadness to another

> site which suggested phosphatidylserine 300-800mg before bedtime to get

> a good night's sleep.

>

> Gail

>

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ps to (Dean) post - just found these at onibasu - searched am & fdq,

for " phosphatidylserine andy acth cortisol " - had 2 hits...

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120762.html

*(dhea link, instead of?)

*see also

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120666.html

(gen info)

AND

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/99965.html

*( " chuckling " list, temporal lobe link / previously found and saved,

for chuckles, mainly ;)

It looks like dhea would be good to try for the nighttime cortisol

thing - is this correct? For this angle, addressing high nighttime

cortisol, would dhea be better as daily supp, or specifically at

nite?? big sigh - think I am mixing something up here, but not sure

what...

thanks! elizabeth

> >

> >

> > Just making sure, is phosphatidylserine the same as phosphorylated

> serine?

> >

> > Phosphorylated serine has a ACTH-damping effect and will cause

> decreased

> > cortisol production. It is used when you have a saliva test that

> shows high

> > cortisol, so if you have hypoadrenalism then you would make matters

> worse

> > when taking this supplement.

> > Presumably it has other effects other than lowering cortisol.

> > DeanSA

> >

>

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