Re: Re: antibiotics, chelation, Jackie/Levaquin

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In frequent-dose-chelation djur1 wrote:

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> ----------The one that gave me trouble was Levaquin. It is a

flouroquinolone antibiotic. I believe somebody explained to me once

that there are four major categories of antibiotics, and these

flouroquinolones are the newest. Cipro is also in that category. I'm

sure there are others. There's even a Yahoo group dedicated to people

who have been harmed by these. They call themselves floxies. If you

search archives of these chelation groups using onibasu, you should

find some posts about this. I remember somebody giving some links,

and I remember " ARCTIC CAT " posting about it too.

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> Anyway, this was two years ago, and the first round of Levaquin, I

seemed fine. But then I was given a second round about 6 weeks later,

and that's the one that got me. You should find posts by me in

archives about this with all the details. But basically, it *felt*

like a huge mercury redistribution, and I went downhill after that

with a huge regression, and honestly, I don't know if I have ever felt

the same since. I had asked Andy, but as far as he knew, it is not a

chelator. So I really don't know what happened to me, but it

certainly derailed me. In the floxie yahoo group, I think they said

it just basically takes time for the effects to wear off, and that

they hadn't found any supps to help. So I haven't followed them, and

I just keep chelating. And I believe they said the effects are

cumulative, and everyone is different, so some react to the first

dose, and some takes more doses, like me, before having trouble.

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Hi Jackie - thank's for the information and sorry to hear about your

problems with Levaquin.

I know discussion group about fluoroquinolones toxicity. For me it

stays unclear why some people have bad reactions to it.

---------Me too. It's been a long time since I've read there, but I recall,

and some might have been members of our groups, that they reacted right from the

first dose of it. But I think they said for others it was cumulative, such as

in my case. And it really wasn't any kind of immediate allergic type reaction

for me, but I definitely got worse after the second round of it, and I certainly

don't care to try it again and test that theory!------------Jackie

Maybe some of

these bad reactions are due to triggering dormant infections and

releasing bacterial toxins?

(but on the other hand other antibiotics in your case were tolerated

well). Hard to say...

Even more strange is that first round with Levaquin was OK.

---------Yes it is hard to say, because I have tolerated all other antibiotics

just fine, before and after. And I agree, that was what was so strange, that I

was fine after the first round, and then the second round got me. So it was

either a cumulative effect of the Levaquin, or possibly from the yeast that got

really bad. But something happened after that second dose/round. And I just

have a hard time believing that yeast could have caused all my

symptoms.---------Jackie

Just curious:

1. Did you chelate while on both courses of Levaquin or shortly after?

--------No, I did not chelate while on Levaquin. I checked my records, and I

did do a round of chelation between the two doses, about a month after the first

dose, and I do long rounds, so it was a week long, and finished it shortly

before the second course of Levaquin. I started another round less than a week

after finishing the second course of Levaquin.----------Jackie

2. What was the dosage of Levaquin and for how many days?

------------First I was given IV antibiotics in the hospital for a couple of

days, and then sent home with Levaquin, I believe it was 500mg 2X a day? I know

it was for 10 days for sure the first time. Then the second course about 6

weeks later was for 6 days, probably the same dosage. I know it was higher

dosages because of the appendix rupture.----------Jackie

3. What were the regression symptoms after 2nd round with Levaquin?

--------Here's my notes from back then, " This second dose of antibiotics gave

me yeast pretty bad, vaginally and gut. Also has flared up old mercury

symptoms, feeling worse than since before amalgam removal. Mentally and

emotionally. " Other notes about die off symptoms from treating yeast too hard,

took too many things at once. Notes about Isocort not helping as much as

before. More notes about feeling off mentally and emotionally, not feeling like

socializing, more anxiety, very emotional, feeling much worse off round than on,

and that includes physical symptoms like burning/aching in arms/shoulders, arms

feel like lead weights, hips aching, very tired and fatigued, Isocort not

helping much.

Is that enough? Yikes! I haven't read that stuff for awhile. I just

remember it was a really bad time, and the only thing that helped somewhat was

chelation, so I would do as long of rounds as I could stand. Since chelation

did seem to help, that also made me believe that the whole thing was mercury

related.--------Jackie

Thank's,

djur1