Re: My DDI hair test,#208 on livingnetwork

[Guest guest]

My DDI hairtest is #208

Livene:)

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_208.pdf

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Well Livene, even after two years of chelation, you still meet 3 counting rules,

and that's the maximum, wow. Only 3 bars going to the right (rule #1--5 or less

to the right), 5 bars in the red (rule #3--4 or more in the red), and only 9

bars in the green/white section (rule #4--11 or less in green/white). So

according to this, you are still very mercury toxic and should continue to

chelate, IMO.

How do you feel on and off rounds? Do you still get side effects? Have you had

any improvements over the last two years? And have you ever done a hair test

before this one? If so, it would be very interesting to see it. I don't recall

seeing very many hair tests that meet 3 counting rules (my first test met 2,

*almost* 3 counting rules).

I wonder if meeting 3 counting rules would coincide with the genetic testing for

APO-E2, E3, and E4 genes? Supposedly northern Europeans are more genetically

susceptible to mercury toxicity, so you are probably an E3 or E4? (You have two

of these genes, one from each parent.) Are both your parents from Norway? My

mother was 100% Finnish, so I'm half, so I am very likely genetically

susceptible also. I have not had the testing done either, but would like to.

You don't show the classic adrenal pattern, and I don't recall if you are doing

any adrenal support or not. Your Na/K ratio is out of range, meaning possible

thyroid problems, and you mention still having some adrenal and thyroid symptoms

below. Being in Norway, is it hard to get support for these?

Otherwise, the biggest thing that jumps out at me is the almost all totally low

profile in the essential elements. This could be a sign of poor

digestion/absorption of nutrients, so we usually recommend digestive aids, such

as Betaine HCl (stomach acid) and digestive enzymes to help with this. Again,

being in Norway, I'm not sure how available these are to you, and Andy does say

that you can provide some more acid by taking Vit C in ascorbic acid forms with

your meals.

On page 251 of HTI, Andy says to supplement magnesium and taurine when mineral

transport is deranged and it is red low on your hair test, such as yours. Many

of us take much higher doses of Mg than you mention below, so you should

probably try increasing this, and adding taurine, if possible.

For the low red manganese, you could try supplementing this at low doses, such

as 5-15mg/day, as Andy suggests in HTI page 258, and see if it helps. If it

makes you feel better, then continue, if you don't notice anything, then drop

it.

For the low red lithium, Andy does recommend supplementing this with lithium

orotate or aspartate, which is much lower doses than as what is used for bipolar

disorder. VRP sells a low dose of lithium orotate.

More comments below--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

<snip>

Livene's answers to Dean's questions:

1) What are your current symptoms and health history?

I have been chelating for two years. One month on 25 and up to 50 mg DMSA.

Then started with 100mg DMSA. After three mounts added ALA up to 1oomg.

Always every 3 hour, 4 at night, 3 days on, 3 days off. Fatigue, some

dizziness' low thyroid and some low adrenal function, still problems

cognitive.

----------I probably asked this above, but how are you doing on and off

rounds, and have you had some improvement in symptoms since starting chelation,

and these are just the lingering ones?---------Jackie

---------And as I said above, you still meet 3 counting rules, so I assume

that means you are still very toxic, so I would continue with chelation, if I

were you, probably for a long time yet.----------Jackie

---------And I don't recall if you have had adrenal and thyroid testing done,

and whether you can get a doctor to help with that, but there are some

supplements you could try, if you can get them, that may help.---------Jackie

2) Dental history (wisdom teeth removed? First root canal placed? Braces?

First amalgam etc...)

Two wisdom removed, no root canals. Braces at ca,11 years old to 14 years

old. Nut sure, I guess 6 years old.

-------------Maybe the titanium is coming from your braces?---------Jackie

3) What dental work do you currently have in place? What part of the dental

cleanup have you completed?

I am finished.

4) What dentistry did your mother have at any time before or during

pregnancy?

No,she was not at the dentist at all!

5) What vaccinations have you had and when (including flu and especially

travel shots)?

I had two shots for the (hjernehinnebetennelse) (Brain tissue inflammation I

am so sorry, I do not know the correct English word. I am from Norway. No

flu and travel shots.

Regular shots when I was a child as everyone.

6) Supplements and medications (including dosages) taken at time of hair

test, or for the 3-6 months before the sample was taken.

B50 one, Vit C 1000mg 3, zinc 40mg one,50 mg magnesium one or two.

-----------I know money can be a factor in how much/many supplements we can

take, and also being in Norway, I'm guessing it might be harder for you to get

supplements? But, I am going to make some suggestions, knowing that it may not

be possible for you to do them all, ok?

The one thing I see missing that is one of Andy's top four, is Vit E. He says

antioxidants are very important, and he mentions Vit C and E, and zinc and

magnesium as being very important supplements on page 238 of HTI. So if you

possibly can, you should add in Vit E.

Also, the dosages of what you are taking could be higher, and should be taken

in split dosages 3-4X/day. See Andy's recommendations of pages133-134 of AI.

His short list is on page 134.

If you can, try increasing the dosages of what you are already taking, and if

possible, add things like milk thistle (or are you the one who doesn't tolerate

it?), molybdenum, and either flax or fish oil. Of course there are tons of

other things you can try, but you'll have to decide what you can and want to

do/try.-------Jackie

Cipramil 10mg (antidep)

7) Other information you feel may be relevant?

no

8) What is your location - city & country (so that we can learn where

certain toxins are more prevalent).

Trondheim, Norway.

[Guest guest]

Jackie! Thank you! This was scary news for me, but now I know.----------

>

> How do you feel on and off rounds? Do you still get side effects? Have you

had any

improvements over the last two years? And have you ever done a hair test before

this

one? If so, it would be very interesting to see it. I don't recall seeing very

many hair tests

that meet 3 counting rules (my first test met 2, *almost* 3 counting rules).

>

....I stopped the chelating , I was in a bad shape, still is. It was not so

different on a round

and off rounds, but I have always felt better on a round. I have never taking

the DDI hair

test before.

> I wonder if meeting 3 counting rules would coincide with the genetic testing

for APO-

E2, E3, and E4 genes? Supposedly northern Europeans are more genetically

susceptible to

mercury toxicity, so you are probably an E3 or E4? (You have two of these

genes, one from

each parent.) Are both your parents from Norway? My mother was 100% Finnish,

so I'm

half, so I am very likely genetically susceptible also. I have not had the

testing done

either, but would like to.

>

...Do you have more information on this? Never heard of it. and Yes, my mom and

dad are

norwegian. 100%

> You don't show the classic adrenal pattern, and I don't recall if you are

doing any

adrenal support or not. Your Na/K ratio is out of range, meaning possible

thyroid

problems, and you mention still having some adrenal and thyroid symptoms below.

Being

in Norway, is it hard to get support for these?

>

...Adrenal stuff.. I have tried Isocort and HC-cream, but my body get stressed

out. I take a

lot of Vitamin C, thats all for the adrenals now. My temps are stady on

37,6-37,8. Celsius.

37 is the normal range. (I know you use farenheit.) I gues I need thyorid

support. I tried

Tyrosin, It was really not good for me. I got mentally problems of it, really

sceary. I will

ask my doctor, but my bloodtest are in normal range so... Well, maybe I have to

do it

myself. First I will try some Iodine in Kelp.

> Otherwise, the biggest thing that jumps out at me is the almost all totally

low profile in

the essential elements. This could be a sign of poor digestion/absorption of

nutrients, so

we usually recommend digestive aids, such as Betaine HCl (stomach acid) and

digestive

enzymes to help with this. Again, being in Norway, I'm not sure how available

these are to

you, and Andy does say that you can provide some more acid by taking Vit C in

ascorbic

acid forms with your meals.

>

...I have some enzymes I can try out. I have trouble whith ascorbic acid, acids

make my

arms acy.

> On page 251 of HTI, Andy says to supplement magnesium and taurine when mineral

transport is deranged and it is red low on your hair test, such as yours. Many

of us take

much higher doses of Mg than you mention below, so you should probably try

increasing

this, and adding taurine, if possible.

>

I know I have to support magnesium,it was low in a bloodtest I took also. But,

when I take

it I get so tired, loose all my energy. Taurine is good for liver also? I will

try it out. I am

going to test all my aminoacids this week.

> For the low red manganese, you could try supplementing this at low doses, such

as 5-

15mg/day, as Andy suggests in HTI page 258, and see if it helps. If it makes

you feel

better, then continue, if you don't notice anything, then drop it.

>

...ok

> For the low red lithium, Andy does recommend supplementing this with lithium

orotate

or aspartate, which is much lower doses than as what is used for bipolar

disorder. VRP

sells a low dose of lithium orotate.

>

...ok. VRP? Do you have an adress?

>

> Livene's answers to Dean's questions:

>

> 1) What are your current symptoms and health history?

>

> I have been chelating for two years. One month on 25 and up to 50 mg DMSA.

> Then started with 100mg DMSA. After three mounts added ALA up to 1oomg.

> Always every 3 hour, 4 at night, 3 days on, 3 days off. Fatigue, some

> dizziness' low thyroid and some low adrenal function, still problems

> cognitive.

>

> ----------I probably asked this above, but how are you doing on and off

rounds,

and have you had some improvement in symptoms since starting chelation, and

these are

just the lingering ones?---------Jackie

>

...Yes, some improment. But it is taking so long time. I wonder if am a case

witch DMSA

and ALA is not helping? Is this possible?

> ---------And as I said above, you still meet 3 counting rules, so I assume

that

means you are still very toxic, so I would continue with chelation, if I were

you, probably

for a long time yet.----------Jackie

>

....

> ---------And I don't recall if you have had adrenal and thyroid testing

done, and

whether you can get a doctor to help with that, but there are some supplements

you could

try, if you can get them, that may help.---------Jackie

>

>

...My cortisol test salvia was just a tad low in the morning. And my temps are

stabil low.

>

>

> 2) Dental history (wisdom teeth removed? First root canal placed? Braces?

> First amalgam etc...)

>

> Two wisdom removed, no root canals. Braces at ca,11 years old to 14 years

> old. Nut sure, I guess 6 years old.

>

> -------------Maybe the titanium is coming from your braces?---------Jackie

>

...my mum had braces too.

>

>

> 3) What dental work do you currently have in place? What part of the dental

> cleanup have you completed?

>

> I am finished.

>

> 4) What dentistry did your mother have at any time before or during

> pregnancy?

>

> No,she was not at the dentist at all!

>

> 5) What vaccinations have you had and when (including flu and especially

> travel shots)?

> I had two shots for the (hjernehinnebetennelse) (Brain tissue inflammation I

am so

sorry, I do not know the correct English word. I am from Norway. No

> flu and travel shots.

> Regular shots when I was a child as everyone.

>

> 6) Supplements and medications (including dosages) taken at time of hair

> test, or for the 3-6 months before the sample was taken.

> B50 one, Vit C 1000mg 3, zinc 40mg one,50 mg magnesium one or two.

>

> -----------I know money can be a factor in how much/many supplements we can

take, and also being in Norway, I'm guessing it might be harder for you to get

supplements? But, I am going to make some suggestions, knowing that it may not

be

possible for you to do them all, ok?

>

> The one thing I see missing that is one of Andy's top four, is Vit E. He

says

antioxidants are very important, and he mentions Vit C and E, and zinc and

magnesium as

being very important supplements on page 238 of HTI. So if you possibly can,

you should

add in Vit E.

>

Vitamin e, stramge thing..I have started to react to it. In Norway you can by it

just in

capsels whith oil. I have problems with oils. I get pain in my nerves in arms

and upper

body, also get hysterical, scared,stressed. Having trouble with omega 3 also.

Can it be the

liver, enzymes or? Everyone think this is so strange

I take zink, 40mg a day. More?

> Also, the dosages of what you are taking could be higher, and should be

taken in split

dosages 3-4X/day. See Andy's recommendations of pages133-134 of AI. His short

list is

on page 134.

>

> If you can, try increasing the dosages of what you are already taking, and

if possible,

add things like milk thistle (or are you the one who doesn't tolerate it?),

molybdenum, and

either flax or fish oil. Of course there are tons of other things you can try,

but you'll have

to decide what you can and want to do/try.-------Jackie

>

....Problems whith milk thistle also. Last week I took tiny doses and I got so

stressed, body

and mind. I also tried some Culturelle, good bacteria for the gut. (not the same

time) This

also got me stressed, it was like a cleaning process started, I got migrine, my

eyes got

puffy and dark circles under them, and nausea. I guess It was too much for my

liver?

Strange!

livene

> Cipramil 10mg (antidep)

>

> 7) Other information you feel may be relevant?

> no

> 8) What is your location - city & country (so that we can learn where

> certain toxins are more prevalent).

>

> Trondheim, Norway.

>

>