Re: Chelation report

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> 10 rounds and you have already increased to 200 mg? This is not what

> Andy advises. Andy advises to find the dose that is _comfortable_ and

> stay at that dose for several _months_ before increasing. He also

> advises not to rush chelation.

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I agree... I just recently went up in the gradation of ALA .

It was too big a leap.. I had been at 50mg doing well.

Then when I upped it to 100mg I did well for the first two

rounds of 6 days so I figured I could stay at that dose. .. then

after the third round my sulfur levels were compromised as I

got endometriosis pain recurring and sleep problems back..

You may think that you are handling it but side affects do

creep up ... I am going back to 50 mg for another few months..

It doesnt do any good to have set backs.. might as well stick

to working at a proper pace..

Nanci

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> It definitely is

> worth experimenting with more frequent dosing.

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> Jay

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I did find that shorter intervals better at one point nearer

the beginning and I intend on watching for symptoms of

needing to do that again.. For me if I start feeling weak

before the next hour due , I find taking it sooner stops

that side affect..

All of those chemistry lab classes in my youth sure have

come in handy.. they have given me the patience to keep up

on my stats while doing frequent dose...LOL..

Nanci

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Thank you to all who responded.

I am a little bit puzzled. Maybe some ideas I had about Cutler's

protocol are wrong. I would appreciate any comment on what follows if

you think I am wrong:

1. The right dose is a personal matter. By definition, it is that dose

that makes your side-effects reasonable for you. The danger here is to

be too rough with yourself: some tiredness compatible with normal life

functionality or some exacerbation of your symptoms is normal. If life

during rounds is miserable (I mean, clearly more miserable that life

OFF rounds), then you are doing it wrong.

2. As long as you maintain the blood level of chelators reasonably

constant taking doses frequently and you keep attached to 1. (plus

taking frequent doses of antioxidants, leaving a safety three months

period after amalgam removal until you begin using ALA, etc.), there

is a very little risk of hurting yourself seriously. We all assume

there is a certain risk trying to pull out mercury, but being

sensitive to how you feel will let you stop the round soon enough so

it is very unlikely that you will suffer a permanent damage.

3. A clever method to find the right dose for you is to slowly

increase a low initial dose until you find that dose that is too much

for you. The previous dose would be the right one for you for some

time. Later, you can check if you are ready for further increases (or

if you can better adjust timing, improve yeast protocol, etc.)

4. Trying my very dumb method of, say, doubling the dose, may cause an

unnecessary crash of several days if you are unlucky. But stopping as

soon as it is noticed that things are going wrong, nothing similar to

the potential side effects of a DMPS IV, for example, will appear. The

bigger risk here is mostly that you can get so scared about the use of

oral chelators that you decide to quit definitively.

In my particular case, it seems I feel reasonably well doing 200 mg

each two hours. If in some future rounds I find that this dose is too

high for me, lowering the dose will fix the problem.

But maybe I am underestimating the risks I am taking?

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Hi ,

Thank you for your reply.

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> 10 rounds and you have already increased to 200 mg? This is not what

> Andy advises. Andy advises to find the dose that is _comfortable_ and

> stay at that dose for several _months_ before increasing. He also

> advises not to rush chelation.

So far, I find pretty well with the side effects I am having using

this dose. They seem to concentrate in the first few days of each

round and then they seem to disappear until the end of the round.

After the round I use to feel great. My overall impression is that now

I have much less side effects than with my first rounds.

Of course, I don't know what will happen the next round, maybe I will

find myself completely broken. In another email I explain my (possibly

wrong) view on this.

Another issue is that I really don't know if one should count rounds

or the number of days ON in order to decide a possible increasing of

the dose. I say this because it seems that the length of the rounds

vary considerably from one person to another or even during different

chelation periods of the same person.

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> What has been happening with side effects? (I can't read Spanish).

> Side effects can creep up on you.

This was not my understanding. I think this is the most important

point, because I though that as long as you don't have serious side

effects, it is reasonable safe to use a given dose of chelator. May

you elaborate a little bit more on this point, please?

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> The _top_ end of the dose range is 1/2 mg per pound (that would be for

> someone who has chelated for a considerable length of time) (see

> Moria's web pages) and he advises not to go above 1 mg per pound (see

> HTI).

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My understanding is that in HTI is advised to use at most 1 mg per

pound, as you say above, and 1/2 mg per pound is the dose advised for

kids, since maybe they cannot explain how they feel during chelation.

Is that right?

I suppose that if doses are taken more often, they should be

correspondingly reduced, so in that case I am well above what should

be the maximum recommended dose for me. I don't know to what extent

this is really an issue.

> J

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> > I've done two rounds at 200 mg, one of seven days and I am right now

> > at the 9th day of the second.

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> > I increased as follows: 12.5, 25, 50, 100, 200 (so I broke the rule of

> > not to increase more than 50% each time). I removed my amalgams last

> > December and started chelation with DMSA in January.

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> > There is an incomplete chelation log at

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http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p1dnn2rh-U1rn3URE-BLLRA & output=html

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> > There is also a blog at

> > http://miquelacion.blogspot.com/

> > with more details, but it is in Spanish, sorry!

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Hi

I would have to read AI chapters again, but its either there or on

this forum [or i dreamed it which it could also be ] that it talks

about the danger of ALA, if you get into too high a dosage. That is

it may take months for the deep buried ALA (organs and brains) to be

dislodged...

so you are merrily going along at 200 mgs every 2 hours and all at

one you get hit my a mack truck (i think it europe they are called

ducks,are they not). The mack truck spills its load of mercury that

it has been carrying for the last two months and as a result, you get

quite ill

It wasn't a terrible thing that happened with me, its just i found i

hit a brick wall with ALA after going up quite rapidly over 4 months

6 mgs to 25 actually, i only did a couple of 3 day series at 50 mgs.

now i cannot do even 6 mgs and it gives me knife pains in the head

and heart, so no more ala for a while

Something (likely ALA) over the last few months has helped clear the

head mercury as i can think much more clearly...but my feeling is,

that it (ALA) dug out a lot of mercury and now until i get rid of

this with dmps, I cannot do any more ALA

I would be very concerned having gone through a small crash at my 25

mgs as to what might happen to you, doing 200 mgs for a period of

time. I think it would be much safer for you to cut back and coast

for a month with ALA and see what happens..you can always ramp up

your ?'s below

1. yes right dosage is what feels right as i understand it, but ALA

can sneak up on you

2-4. same comments, read the chapters again at the back of the book,

I think it infers you have to be careful with ALA and by the time you

realize you have gone too far with ALA, you have gone over a cliff

and its not as simple as saying hmmm, i will just take back that last

step and go back one..I do not think it works that way with ALA, its

not a simple linear logic equation..if it was we would all just take

200 mgs and be done with it in 4-5 months

hey the best lessons are always the ones where we get our butt

kicked, hopefully you wouldn't get a whupping...but I think its

russian roulette you are playing...

another analogy, you get hot at a vegas crap table (maybe baccarat)

and win $20,000...do you play one last round for all your winnings

$20,000 or take the money and run...you have done very well.why push

it

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> Thank you to all who responded.

>

> I am a little bit puzzled. Maybe some ideas I had about Cutler's

> protocol are wrong. I would appreciate any comment on what follows

if

> you think I am wrong:

>

> 1. The right dose is a personal matter. By definition, it is that\

> dose that makes your side-effects reasonable for you. The danger

> here is to be too rough with yourself: some tiredness compatible

> with normal life functionality or some exacerbation of your

> symptoms is normal. If life during rounds is miserable (I mean,

> clearly more miserable that life OFF rounds), then you are doing it

> wrong.

> 2. As long as you maintain the blood level of chelators reasonably

> constant taking doses frequently and you keep attached to 1. (plus

> taking frequent doses of antioxidants, leaving a safety three months

> period after amalgam removal until you begin using ALA, etc.), there

> is a very little risk of hurting yourself seriously. We all assume

> there is a certain risk trying to pull out mercury, but being

> sensitive to how you feel will let you stop the round soon enough so

> it is very unlikely that you will suffer a permanent damage.

>

> 3. A clever method to find the right dose for you is to slowly

> increase a low initial dose until you find that dose that is too

> much for you. The previous dose would be the right one for you for\

> some time. Later, you can check if you are ready for further

> increases (or if you can better adjust timing, improve yeast\

> protocol, etc.)

>

> 4. Trying my very dumb method of, say, doubling the dose, may cause

> an unnecessary crash of several days if you are unlucky. But

> stopping as soon as it is noticed that things are going wrong,

> nothing similar to the potential side effects of a DMPS IV, for

> example, will appear. The bigger risk here is mostly that you can

> get so scared about the use of oral chelators that you decide to

> quit definitively.

> In my particular case, it seems I feel reasonably well doing 200 mg

> each two hours. If in some future rounds I find that this dose is

> too high for me, lowering the dose will fix the problem.

>

> But maybe I am underestimating the risks I am taking?

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