Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 We've all been hit with some viral thing and I realized during this that my 6 yr old still doesn't know how to blow his nose. He only recently (in the last 6 mo or so) learned how to spit which is SO nice when it comes to brushing teeth! Any tips on teaching him how to blow his nose? I thought he had figured it out because he would grab a tissue and blow and wipe, but I realized today that he was making the noise with his mouth and then just wiping what had dripped. I guess that's a step up from sniffing it back up like he used to when I tried to get him to blow, but it still isn't very functional. Thanks! Miche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I have to reply to this one!!! I have the same thing with . He's getting it a little more now(he's 8 years old), but he can't effectively blow his nose. I've always had a hard time with my in-laws believing anything was wrong with Chris. They thought he was fine and I was just making things up. When it came to him blowing his nose one day, I told my mil that he couldn't do it and she said " of course he can " he just did it for me " I told her that he just makes the sound through his mouth, not his nose. It took some convincing, but she finally saw that I was right(i waited until she left before I gloated!!!) What we do is get right in his face to show him how to do it. I tell him to pretend he's underwater and has to keep his mouth closed. I ask him to blow while I tap on the side of his nose to show him where I want the air to come out of. He still, to this day, tries to blow out of his mouth and all it takes is me tapping his nose to remind him. hth! Sandy [ ] Any tips on nose blowing? We've all been hit with some viral thing and I realized during this that my 6 yr old still doesn't know how to blow his nose. He only recently (in the last 6 mo or so) learned how to spit which is SO nice when it comes to brushing teeth! Any tips on teaching him how to blow his nose? I thought he had figured it out because he would grab a tissue and blow and wipe, but I realized today that he was making the noise with his mouth and then just wiping what had dripped. I guess that's a step up from sniffing it back up like he used to when I tried to get him to blow, but it still isn't very functional. Thanks! Miche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I had my son pretend the tissue was Superman's cape. I told him he had to make it fly in the wind by blowing on it thru his nose. Initially I demonstrated what I wanted and then let him have a turn. He was blowing thru his mouth until I lightly put my hand over his mouth to block him blowing thru the mouth and all tissue movement came thru the nose. He thinks it is cool now to do. It was easier to teach this without a stuffy nose, tho. We now do a Superman blow, a Spiderman blow, a Power Ranger blow....you get the idea. hope this helps some. Stephanee > > We've all been hit with some viral thing and I realized during this that my > 6 yr old still doesn't know how to blow his nose. He only recently (in the > last 6 mo or so) learned how to spit which is SO nice when it comes to > brushing teeth! > > Any tips on teaching him how to blow his nose? I thought he had figured it > out because he would grab a tissue and blow and wipe, but I realized today > that he was making the noise with his mouth and then just wiping what had > dripped. I guess that's a step up from sniffing it back up like he used to > when I tried to get him to blow, but it still isn't very functional. > > Thanks! > Miche > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Happy Valentine's Day all!! And speaking of love.... I LOVE this advice! It reminds me both of how to teach the letter " P " as written in The Late Talker and how I taught Tanner something else on command. > > Children with apraxia have trouble doing things on command. As I > > said in the archives I just posted: > > > > My suggestion is to say the following which worked for Tanner if you > > can get your child to try to sit on the potty to go to the bathroom > > there instead. > > > > " Take a deep breath, really really deep as deep as you can in " > > (wait till they breathe in) " OK, now try really hard to blow the air > > out of > > your belly button " One parent here said " My child is apraxic so > > there is no way he would be able to understand how to do that " Just > > remember apraxia doesn't always make sense and you at times have to > > trick the brain. We don't want (God Forbid) your child to 'really' > > blow air out of his or her belly button -but right now try to do > > it. No matter how you try to do it -you will be using the right > > muscles to push (without getting graphic if you know what I mean) > > And my kid is as apraxic at the next and it worked for him! My > > theory on that is that when you bring in that much air and apply any > > amount of pressure it should work. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of that archive -and now nose blowing.... Nose blowing is something brought up as an issue as far back as around when this group first started in 2000. Here a more recent archive: Wed Feb 8, 2006 8:57 am Re: nose blowing Hi , I've brought this up so many times in the archives that I didn't know which one to post for you. I chose an archive of archives on oral motor issues -and my " stages of apraxia " archive since new members going through anything but stage 2 won't be aware that it's all par for the course. (because none is talked about elsewhere -or wasn't) " Stage 2: The only stage talked about (and talked about and talked about) This is what I call the " around the corner " stage which is covered well...well for the most part -but still the soft signs -the multifaceted aspects are typically left out by most -soft signs like the hypotonia, sensory integration dysfunction (called DSI instead of SID so as not to confuse it with the sudden infant death syndrome which my oldest son Dakota was at risk for), oral apraxia and other motor impairments even just mild one in other areas of the body -and new to our attention stuff like constipation and trouble blowing their nose on command. Just today Glenn and I were driving the boys to school and Tanner needed to blow his nose. 'Most' of the time now today Tanner knows how to blow his nose due to lots of practice. But like anything with apraxia -most of the time doesn't necessarily mean all the time. I handed Tanner a tissue and he put it up to his nose and breathed out through his mouth. I said " No Tanner -use your nose to breath out silly! " I then helped him and he breathed out of his nose softly -not enough to do anything. So I said " OK you have to breath out harder so breath in and then breath out really deep OK? " Tanner breathed in really deep and when he went to breath out I took the tissue and really quick stuck it up to his nose before he could breath out -but that didn't work either because we both started laughing. Then he sneezed. " (rest is below) Just a quick update to that. Tanner is 9 now and can blow his nose himself -but he does it slow and deliberate if he does. (Fortunately he doesn't get much practice because he's rarely sick!) From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:42 am Subject: Re: Lip Closure? kiddietalk Marie see if you can find any advice to help in the following archives and at the same time I'll ask Speechville/CHERAB advisor Sara Rosenfeld- M.S., CCC/SLP if she can address this for you and all of us! http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/advisoryjohnson.html http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/advisoryboard.html http://www.speechville.com/professional-advisory-board.html ~ From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...> Date: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:05 pm Subject: Re: Inability to Blow and Imitate / from Sara CCC SLP , The reason for the confusion as to who is best suited to work on these oral-motor activities (i.e., " lick lips, stick his tongue out, blow, suck through a straw, etc. " ) is really based on the fact that both professions are interested in developing these skills. The skills of blowing and sucking impact on feeding and speech development. The same muscles that are used in feeding are used in speech. Both professions therefore feel it is in their job description to work on the activities. Both are right. In our clinics we share the goals but use different techniques. The O.T.'s are generally interested in gaining function for independence while we SLP's want not only function we want normal movement. Speech is superimposed on normal movement so when we talk about straw drinking we talk about it in a hierarchy of muscle development as in the TalkTools Straw Hierarchy. When we talk about blowing we create our programs to develop adequate airflow for extended speech statements. You need more air for a 5 word phrase than you do for a 2 word utterance. Therefore, instead of just picking up any horn or blowing cotton balls we again work in a hierarchy of abdominal grading activities (Horn Blowing Hierarchy or Bubble Blowing Hierarchy.) I am just thrilled that both professions are claiming the goals as their own. It was not so long ago that SLP's did not see the benefit of working on non-speech movements for the development of speech clarity. Sara Rosenfeld- http://www.oromotorsp.com http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/advisoryjohnson.html > Hi and all, > > Wow this is a popular topic today -and one that was almost never > talked about when my son Tanner was diagnosed just 4 years ago! But > I do see there is still much confusion about oral motor disorders. > > I sent an email to another advisor of CHERAB and Speechville about > this, Sara Rosenthal CCC SLP > http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/advisoryjohnson.html > Sara is the creator of Talk Tools, which you recommended, among > many other techniques to help our kids. > > , even though in a few cases this would be possible, I > wouldn't assume that a child that doesn't blow bubbles or imitate > doesn't " get it " . There could be numerous reasons for this. In > your child's case for example it sounds like there may be motor > planning issues of the body. At 5 your son may have more in his motor memory > now and thus is able to do more. Or perhaps he didn't understand prior -I > wouldn't know. Most kids with appropriate therapy don't take this long. > > But back to the not being able to imitate funny faces or blow > bubbles or lick food off their lips...on command (key word) - those > are all signs of oral apraxia, but they could be from a weakness > problem too or instead. My parent friendly rule of thumb is if you > see a child do it when not thinking about it, it's probably > apraxia. If you never see your child do it ever -it's probably > weakness. And again -it can be a combination of the two. It's not > that confusing when you have a few years to study it up close and > work through it with therapy (not as a therapist -as a mom!) > > On top of motor planning and weakness issues (and receptive ability > in those cases) you can also throw eating and feeding as well as > sensory problems into the mix too. And yes a child can have one > aspect and no other -but typically or almost always as far as anyone > knows -a child that has oral apraxia will have verbal apraxia -but > an adult who acquires oral apraxia can have that without verbal > apraxia. > > Most late talkers (again) have average to above average ability, > it's just that we don't understand them -and that's the only way for > them to express their ability to understand sometimes -us. They > need us more than the professionals who today can still be ignorant, > to try to find ways to help them make themselves understood. A way > to communicate. > > Just like anything -children with impairments of communication do > not just outgrow these issues on their own, they need appropriate > interventions. is a perfect example of a child that grew up > and now can talk and write...but a child who obviously was deprived > of what was appropriate therapy for him. I'm sure from speaking to > that everyone believed they did " all they could " to help him > back then. You only know what you know. Thank goodness he's getting the help he needs today. > > I'll post Sara's response as soon as she sends it, but in the > meantime -speaking of only knowing what you know, again -this topic > if fully talked about from a professional and parent point of view > in The Late Talker. (libraries/bookstores carry it -or you can ask for them to > order it for you) http://www.speech-express.com/late.talker.html > > There is a page on oral motor issues here which Sara helped to write > which have warning clues of various oral motor disorders. > " Oral Apraxia is a disorder where the child, who typically is > a " late talker " is unable to coordinate and/or initiate movement of > their jaw, lips and tongue (articulators) on command. > An Oral Motor Disorder, which could be a different oral motor > problem than apraxia (could be from weakness/dysarthria for example) > is the second type, in which the child is unable to coordinate > and/or initiate movement of normal eating movements (vegetative > activities.) " > http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html > > > This is Sara's homepage > http://www.oromotorsp.com > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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