Re: killing yeast good or bad for chelation

[Guest guest]

i believe i had bad yeast/fungus and had to take it really slow with

the probiotics and related gut support as the die off was a real

challenge.

my thoughts would be to treat it gently (the yeast) as chelation with

certain support protocols (ie biotin) will help with yeast/fungus

over time

if yeast is bad i think dmps would work better for you

I also " believe " that yeast die of causes more mercury problems as

i believe what i think Huggins says in that yeast is bodies defense

against mercury and yeast will engulf mercury...sooo, if you go after

yeast, you release mercury

I know that i was passing slime (which i belive to be yeast/fungus)

in my stool for a good 6 months before amalgam removal and approx 4-5

months post amalgam removal

In fact this one time (18 months ago)i passed what i can only grossly

refer to as looking like a mini-cabbage (about the size of a quarter

of my fist)

My head became very messed up from this day on so i strongly feel

that it liberated a bunch of mercury or other neuro-toxins (along

with this fungus) that ended up in my brain. Its really taken a year

Plus to recover from this

>

> hi,

>

> I have just been reading that killing off yeast, gives die off

which

> can cause more toxins to be released into the body. I have been

told

> that i have candida, but am not aware of any symptoms from it,would

i

> be better not to treat it at the moment.

> Also with re to taking probiotics could this also cause problems,

> because how would you know which ones were needed. I have seen this

> nutrisionist and she wants to treat the yeast, and has done a vega

test,

> (which i and other people on this list have doubts about) from this

she

> has said that i need to have more bile support(what symptoms would

you

> have if you were low on bile)and to take Lactobacillus GG probiotics

>

> any thoughts anyone, Dudley.

>

[Guest guest]

It is also my experience (on several occasions) that killing candida

releases mercury, and should therefore be pursued with great

caution. I think a holding position on the yeast is best - prevent

it from increasing with diet and supplements like biotin, maybe some

probiotics - until mercury levels are reduced and the yeast reduces

naturally. I think an all-out candida bust should be avoided...

Best

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mercurybeater "

wrote:

>

> i believe i had bad yeast/fungus and had to take it really slow

with

> the probiotics and related gut support as the die off was a real

> challenge.

>

> my thoughts would be to treat it gently (the yeast) as chelation

with

> certain support protocols (ie biotin) will help with yeast/fungus

> over time

>

> if yeast is bad i think dmps would work better for you

>

> I also " believe " that yeast die of causes more mercury problems as

> i believe what i think Huggins says in that yeast is bodies defense

> against mercury and yeast will engulf mercury...sooo, if you go

after

> yeast, you release mercury

>

> I know that i was passing slime (which i belive to be yeast/fungus)

> in my stool for a good 6 months before amalgam removal and approx 4-

5

> months post amalgam removal

>

> In fact this one time (18 months ago)i passed what i can only

grossly

> refer to as looking like a mini-cabbage (about the size of a

quarter

> of my fist)

>

> My head became very messed up from this day on so i strongly feel

> that it liberated a bunch of mercury or other neuro-toxins (along

> with this fungus) that ended up in my brain. Its really taken a

year

> Plus to recover from this

>

>

>

>

> >

> > hi,

> >

> > I have just been reading that killing off yeast, gives die off

> which

> > can cause more toxins to be released into the body. I have been

> told

> > that i have candida, but am not aware of any symptoms from

it,would

> i

> > be better not to treat it at the moment.

> > Also with re to taking probiotics could this also cause problems,

> > because how would you know which ones were needed. I have seen

this

> > nutrisionist and she wants to treat the yeast, and has done a

vega

> test,

> > (which i and other people on this list have doubts about) from

this

> she

> > has said that i need to have more bile support(what symptoms

would

> you

> > have if you were low on bile)and to take Lactobacillus GG

probiotics

> >

> > any thoughts anyone, Dudley.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> It is also my experience (on several occasions) that killing candida

> releases mercury, and should therefore be pursued with great

> caution. I think a holding position on the yeast is best - prevent

> it from increasing with diet and supplements like biotin, maybe some

> probiotics - until mercury levels are reduced and the yeast reduces

> naturally. I think an all-out candida bust should be avoided...

Probiotics are certainly the safest and most valuable option against yeast

without causing too much die-off problems (just keep doses lowish), but two

things:

1) Candida tends to 'swim away' after 30-60 rounds of chelation when the

metal is removed anyway, and

2) The mercury kills the good guys and feeds the bad guys. When you use

probiotics you crowd out the bad guys as they compete with the increased

amounts of good guys - but if you fail to get the mercury out, it sits

there, kills the probiotics and prevents a proper recolonization of your

bowels with probiotics, which means you stay dependent on them.

So, you need both really. I have found probiotics to be one of the most

essential supplements, next to fish oils and Adrenal extract.

If you remove the metals that feed the yeast, the yeast disappears.

The analogy is like leaving a piece of bread in your kitchen, and cleaning

the mould off every day. It is pointless, you must remove the bread and the

mould goes with it.

Having said that, there is usually a lot of bowel healing that needs doing

afterwards that includes things like probiotics, glutamine, oregano oil,

olive leaf extract, Amla and more.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > It is also my experience (on several occasions) that killing

candida

> > releases mercury, and should therefore be pursued with great

> > caution. I think a holding position on the yeast is best -

prevent

> > it from increasing with diet and supplements like biotin, maybe

some

> > probiotics - until mercury levels are reduced and the yeast

reduces

> > naturally. I think an all-out candida bust should be avoided...

>

>

> Probiotics are certainly the safest and most valuable option

against yeast

> without causing too much die-off problems (just keep doses lowish),

but two

> things:

> 1) Candida tends to 'swim away' after 30-60 rounds of chelation

when the

> metal is removed anyway, and

> 2) The mercury kills the good guys and feeds the bad guys. When you

use

> probiotics you crowd out the bad guys as they compete with the

increased

> amounts of good guys - but if you fail to get the mercury out, it

sits

> there, kills the probiotics and prevents a proper recolonization of

your

> bowels with probiotics, which means you stay dependent on them.

>

> So, you need both really. I have found probiotics to be one of the

most

> essential supplements, next to fish oils and Adrenal extract.

> If you remove the metals that feed the yeast, the yeast disappears.

> The analogy is like leaving a piece of bread in your kitchen, and

cleaning

> the mould off every day. It is pointless, you must remove the bread

and the

> mould goes with it.

>

> Having said that, there is usually a lot of bowel healing that

needs doing

> afterwards that includes things like probiotics, glutamine, oregano

oil,

> olive leaf extract, Amla and more.

> DeanSA

>

hi Dean,

I have only just started chelating with dmsa (3rd round)but i want to

start using ALAin 2or 3 weeks time as i had my fillings out 7mnths ago

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > It is also my experience (on several occasions) that killing

candida

> > releases mercury, and should therefore be pursued with great

> > caution. I think a holding position on the yeast is best -

prevent

> > it from increasing with diet and supplements like biotin, maybe

some

> > probiotics - until mercury levels are reduced and the yeast

reduces

> > naturally. I think an all-out candida bust should be avoided...

>

>

> Probiotics are certainly the safest and most valuable option

against yeast

> without causing too much die-off problems (just keep doses lowish),

but two

> things:

> 1) Candida tends to 'swim away' after 30-60 rounds of chelation

when the

> metal is removed anyway, and

> 2) The mercury kills the good guys and feeds the bad guys. When you

use

> probiotics you crowd out the bad guys as they compete with the

increased

> amounts of good guys - but if you fail to get the mercury out, it

sits

> there, kills the probiotics and prevents a proper recolonization of

your

> bowels with probiotics, which means you stay dependent on them.

>

> So, you need both really. I have found probiotics to be one of the

most

> essential supplements, next to fish oils and Adrenal extract.

> If you remove the metals that feed the yeast, the yeast disappears.

> The analogy is like leaving a piece of bread in your kitchen, and

cleaning

> the mould off every day. It is pointless, you must remove the bread

and the

> mould goes with it.

>

> Having said that, there is usually a lot of bowel healing that

needs doing

> afterwards that includes things like probiotics, glutamine, oregano

oil,

> olive leaf extract, Amla and more.

> DeanSA

> ======================

Hi Dean,

I have only been chelating for 3 rounds dmsa, but i want to start

using Ala after another 2 or 3 rounds as i had my fillings out over

6mnths ago. My hairtest showed high lead but mercury seemed ok.

I had a lot of exposure to mercury from unsafe filling removal,and

think most of it is in my brain.

With that in mind would you then say don't treat yeast yet,as i don't

feel as though i have any symptoms from it. Even though a saliva test

proved positive for candida.

And just take probiotics. But how do i know what sort, and the dose

to take. I am on a anti candida diet.

Dudley.

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dean,

> I have only been chelating for 3 rounds dmsa, but i want to start

> using Ala after another 2 or 3 rounds as i had my fillings out over

> 6mnths ago. My hairtest showed high lead but mercury seemed ok.

> I had a lot of exposure to mercury from unsafe filling removal,and

> think most of it is in my brain.

> With that in mind would you then say don't treat yeast yet,as i don't

> feel as though i have any symptoms from it. Even though a saliva test

> proved positive for candida.

> And just take probiotics. But how do i know what sort, and the dose

> to take. I am on a anti candida diet.

>

> Dudley.

Hi Dudley,

I think that is a safe enough option to consider. Here are 4 options that I

would suggest below, but don't know if any are available there. Basically

you need a good Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium. The third good 'guy' is

good E.Coli. You should also (if you can) consider a stool test to ascertain

if you have low good E.Coli. This is not a probiotic that is commercially

available though, and our lab supplies it free of charge if we are low in

it.

Others find a good yeast Sacc? (I can't remember that name) helps, though I

have not noticed it to be essentail or crucial.

1) Ultra Flora Plus DF capsules by Metagenics (contains 7.5 billion

organisms of Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium lactis - keep

refrigerated). 1 Capsule twice a day. Best on an empty stomach.

2) Solgar Advanced Multi-billion dophilus (contains 1.25 billions organisms

of Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis, Lactobacillus

paracasei, Lactobacillus rhamnosus. It does not needs to be refridigerated,

though it helps). Take 3 per day. Best on an empty stomach.

3) Life-Line contains > 10 billion organisms in 1 gram of Lactobacillus

acidophilus, L. Casei, L. Rhamnosus and Bifidobacterium Bifidum - keep

refrigerated and take 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon daily.

4) Intestiflora (contains one billion organisms of Bifidobacterium bifidum,

Bifidobacterium longum and Lactobacillus acidophilus - keep in fridge) 3 - 6

capsules first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

>

> > Hi Dean,

> > I have only been chelating for 3 rounds dmsa, but i want to start

> > using Ala after another 2 or 3 rounds as i had my fillings out

over

> > 6mnths ago. My hairtest showed high lead but mercury seemed ok.

> > I had a lot of exposure to mercury from unsafe filling removal,and

> > think most of it is in my brain.

> > With that in mind would you then say don't treat yeast yet,as i

don't

> > feel as though i have any symptoms from it. Even though a saliva

test

> > proved positive for candida.

> > And just take probiotics. But how do i know what sort, and the

dose

> > to take. I am on a anti candida diet.

> >

> > Dudley.

>

>

> Hi Dudley,

> I think that is a safe enough option to consider. Here are 4

options that I

> would suggest below, but don't know if any are available there.

Basically

> you need a good Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium. The third

good 'guy' is

> good E.Coli. You should also (if you can) consider a stool test to

ascertain

> if you have low good E.Coli. This is not a probiotic that is

commercially

> available though, and our lab supplies it free of charge if we are

low in

> it.

> Others find a good yeast Sacc? (I can't remember that name) helps,

though I

> have not noticed it to be essentail or crucial.

> ============================================

>

hi Dean, do you mean saccromyces boulardi, which is meant to be

a fiendly yeast, this nutrisionist i have seen has said to take this

and she told me that i tested on a vega that i needed only

lactobacillus gg probiotics but to me it makes sense to take somthing

with all kinds in. She also told me to take a product called Phoscol

which is phosphatydlcholine, to help with bile as she said it would

help me chelate better and stop mercury being dumped. I am already

taking milk thistle 1200mgs a day. What do you think Dean.

things seem so unreal at the moment like i'm not here, that i'm

having trouble making my mind up, whats the best thing to do,do you

think, i really need some help right now.

thanks so much Dudley.

> 1) Ultra Flora Plus DF capsules by Metagenics (contains 7.5 billion

> organisms of Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium lactis -

keep

> refrigerated). 1 Capsule twice a day. Best on an empty stomach.

>

> 2) Solgar Advanced Multi-billion dophilus (contains 1.25 billions

organisms

> of Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis, Lactobacillus

> paracasei, Lactobacillus rhamnosus. It does not needs to be

refridigerated,

> though it helps). Take 3 per day. Best on an empty stomach.

>

> 3) Life-Line contains > 10 billion organisms in 1 gram of

Lactobacillus

> acidophilus, L. Casei, L. Rhamnosus and Bifidobacterium Bifidum -

keep

> refrigerated and take 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon daily.

>

> 4) Intestiflora (contains one billion organisms of Bifidobacterium

bifidum,

> Bifidobacterium longum and Lactobacillus acidophilus - keep in

fridge) 3 - 6

> capsules first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

>

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> All,

>

> This yeast/candida problem is very compelling to me for a lot of

> reasons. Primarily because I am responding to the treatment in

some

> dramatic ways. I am taking a cyprillic/garlic/fennel/dparco

> bark/garlic combination product that is producing distinct die off

and

> the bm's that have been adequately described. In addition the

> redistribution seems to be noticeable, but not worse than the

candida

> symptoms that are abating. I also agree subjectively with the

posts

> about mercury causing a symphony of problems. So far I see many of

the

> mercury related problems (particularly neurologic), yeast/candida,

and

> parasites. The advice on getting the colon corrected first,

followed

> by parasites and candida, then handling chelation might be the best

> order?

----------page 133 of Amalgam Illness, paragraph 8.

" The first thing to fix is problems with your digestive system so you

can actually get things into you. "

Scared the pants off me when i read that because had i multiple food

intolerances and the only food i could east was salad. life was

pretty tough back then and i ate salad for breakfast, lunch and

dinner for 8 months and i was still sick as a dog.

IMHO fresh herbs are the gold standard for cleaning up the mercury

mess. any patented product has usually been messed about with so that

it is much less effective. the difference between man-made synthetic

chemicals and herbs grown in the ground is gigantic and i have

learned the hard way...10 years of misery...that herbs are the way to

go and are significantly better. its not always possible, but if you

have a choice between man-made and nature-made...nature-made is the

way to go every time.

everyone is different, but if your research those humaworm herbs,

read the curezone forum, you will read many people getting

significantly better because of them. if you think its all a scam,

read my posts on that forum, i know they are real.

back to your question: quote..... The advice on getting the colon

corrected first, followed by parasites and candida, then handling

chelation might be the best order?.... unquote

Humaworm does all three at the same time, which is why so many people

have so much success with it. cleanses the colon, kills the parasites

and helps remove the dead bodies. it is best to bowel cleanse and

parasite cleanse at the same time (note: candida is just one type of

parasite out of thousands of parasites)

it is worth saying it again, bowel cleansing is more important than

parasite cleansing. Humaworm does both. i have had great results from

humaworm and all the other different cleanses i have done.

Sunshine

I am curious because I kind of dove into this head first and in

> the shallow end of the pool no less.

>

> Thanks,

>

>