Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 The more I discover, the more I see soy products, while preferable to animal products, are not really healthy. A lot of soy beans are genetically engineered and who knows what they will cause. Most soy products are highly processed and void of most nutritional value. If you ever have a chance to meet Dr. Doug Graham (he has a web site, but I don't have it handy) or read his book " Grain Damage, " you'll think twice about consuming grains. But, I must admit, every now and then (maybe once or twice a year) I crave granola or cereal and will buy some. My choice for " milk " is live almond milk that I make myself. Very simple: soak blanched almonds overnight and blend them with enough of the liquid to get the consistency you like. I like to add a little vanilla bean too. Actually, my favorite " milk " is fresh coconut milk made by blending the water and the meat from a fresh coconut -- plentiful (and free if you can climb) where I am in Florida. I usually buy it freshly made from a local juice bar here. Goes great with my raw brownies. Lieb THe world's #1 long-term non-progressor. HIV+ since 1954 -- healthy and fit with NO medical intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Both regular and Soy milk produce mucoid matter which is bad for you if you have a sensitive colon, and not especially wonderful for you anyway. I have read that Rice Milk does not produce as much mucoid, but I personally don't like it. I'll definitely try your alternative Ed. Thanks! Caer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:19:27 -0600 " caerfree " <caerfree@...> writes: > Both regular and Soy milk produce mucoid matter which is bad for you > if you > have a sensitive colon, and not especially wonderful for you anyway. > I have > read that Rice Milk does not produce as much mucoid, but I > personally don't > like it. )=============Hi Caer,.... I have never heard of soy-milk causing mucous - however that cows milk does is almost universally accepted. I dont care for rice-milk either; almond milk is a little better - however, the soy-milk that I have been using is 'non-sweetened' - virtually no sugar - most other soy, grain, nut milks have some sugar (many 7 - 15 grams a serving). So....sticking with my unsweetened soy for now - and may experiment with some almond varities. Be well, paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Well, from the documentation I've read soy just isn't healthy for us. But read the articles and make your own conclusions. Unfortunately, soy is in everything we use from skin cream to foods, so it is difficult sometimes to avoid it. But when possible, I try avoid purposely using soy products, such as the milk, cheese or soy veggie products. Cow's milk.... don't get me started on that, it's terrible. I feel so much better since I eliminated cow's milk and cheese from my diet. Hey, rice milk is getting a bad wrap here. I really like it and almond milk is ok also. *smiles* To each his own. Below is a slew of links and info regarding soy, I hope this is helpful, it made me reconsider using soy. God bless everyone and I wish you all a HAPPY SWEETEST DAY. *BIG HUGS* M ********************************************************************************\ ******************************************************* Soy has become vegetarians' meat and milk, the major source of protein > in their > diet. But eating soy actually puts vegetarians at severe risk of > mineral > deficiencies, including calcium, copper, iron, magnesium and especially > zinc. > According to Dr Mike Fitzpatrick, a New Zealand biochemist who runs a > soy > information website (see below), this is because soy contains high > levels of phytic > acid, which blocks the absorption of essential minerals in the digestive > tract. > > The Japanese don't eat that much soy: a 1998 study showed that a > Japanese man > typically eats about 8g (2 tsp) a day, nothing like the 220g (8oz) that > a Westerner > could put away by eating a big chunk of tofu and two glasses of soy > milk. Secondly, > although Japanese people may have lower rates of reproductive cancers, > this is > thought to be due to other dietary and lifestyle factors: they eat less > fatty meat, > more fish and vegetables and fewer tinned or processed foods than in a > typical > Western diet. Thirdly, Asians have much higher rates of thyroid and > digestive > cancers, including cancer of the stomach, pancreas, liver and > oesophagus. > > > Dr. Lon White, senior neuroepidemiologist at the University of Hawaii > states, " At > some point -- if these molecules are as potent as (we think) they are -- > there will > be potent (adverse) effects. " White, for one, worries that soy may speed > the aging > of brain cells. He recently found evidence that the brains of elderly > people who ate > tofu at least twice a week for 30 years were aging faster than normal. > Tests > designed to assess memory and analytical ability showed that their > brains functioned > as if they were four years older than their actual age, White says of > his study > published in the April 2000 issue of the Journal of the American College > of > Nutrition. > Soybeans also contain potent enzyme inhibitors. These inhibitors block >uptake of trypsin and other enzymes that the body needs for protein >digestion. Normal cooking does not deactivate these harmful > " anti-nutrients, " that can cause serious gastric distress, reduced protein >digestion and can lead to chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. Beyond >these, soybeans also contain hemagglutinin, a clot promoting substance that >causes red blood cells to clump together. These clustered blood cells are >unable to properly absorb oxygen for distribution to the body's tissues, >and cannot help in maintaining good cardiac health. Hemagglutinin and >trypsin inhibitors are both " growth depressant " substances. Although the >act of fermenting soybeans does deactivate both trypsin inhibitors and >hemagglutinin, precipitation and cooking do not. Even though these enzyme >inhibitors are reduced in levels within precipitated soy products like >tofu, they are not altogether eliminated.Soy has become the fashionable option for people 'intolerant' to dairy products. It's little known that soy is the second most common allergen. > Only 1 per cent of the population is truly allergic to cows' milk and, of > those, two-thirds will also be intolerant to soy milk. In addition, soy > milk is high in aluminium. That's because the soy protein isolate it's > made from is acid-washed in aluminium tanks. No wonder it tastes bad. >> > >Only after a long period of fermentation (as in the creation of miso or >tempeh) are the phytate and " antinutrient " levels of soybeans reduced, >making their nourishment available to the human digestive system. The high >levels of harmful substances remaining in precipitated soy products leave >their nutritional value questionable at best, and in the least, potentially >harmful. Don't take my word, please research this yourself. Soy Online Service(be sure to read the testimony pages) Response To Those Who Believe Soy Is Healthy Cheetahs and Soybeans Does Soy Have a DARK SIDE? Thyroid Disease: The Dangerous Downside of Soy Products How To Prevent Thyroid Disease Soy May Cause Cancer and Brain Damage How Good Is Soy? Soya alert over cancer and brain damage link Soy is an Endocrine Disrupter and Can Damage Your Child's Health Testosterone Magazine - Soy Is Still Bad Protein Soy - A Skeptical Viewpoint Researchers Take A Second Look At Soy Foods Soya-Bean Crisis Spoilt Milk - The Sour Side Of Soy Don't Go Overboard With The Soy Foods Doubts Cloud Rosy News On Soy You Have To Be Soy Careful Soybean - BAD The Downside Of Soybean Consumption Soya - The Quiet Conquest NOTE THE ABOVE ARTICLES ARE LOCATED AT THIS LINK:http://www.kimberlysslimpickins.com/diet_archive/soy.htm ________________________________________________________ >http://www.rogerkyoung.com/soybean.html >http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/20/soy_dangers.htm >http://www.testosterone.net/articles/185soy.html >http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/60/stories/2000_07_16/story_200.asp >http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/files/Phillimore.htm freelightexpress@... on 10/18/2002 03:32:14 AM Please respond to cures for AIDS cures for AIDS cc: Subject: Re: milk alternative On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:19:27 -0600 " caerfree " <caerfree@...> writes: > Both regular and Soy milk produce mucoid matter which is bad for you > if you > have a sensitive colon, and not especially wonderful for you anyway. > I have > read that Rice Milk does not produce as much mucoid, but I > personally don't > like it. )=============Hi Caer,.... I have never heard of soy-milk causing mucous - however that cows milk does is almost universally accepted. I dont care for rice-milk either; almond milk is a little better - however, the soy-milk that I have been using is 'non-sweetened' - virtually no sugar - most other soy, grain, nut milks have some sugar (many 7 - 15 grams a serving). So....sticking with my unsweetened soy for now - and may experiment with some almond varities. Be well, paul Read AIDS-Cured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 There is an excellent option for egg milk in the folder Files > Candida Diet Recipes > Milk & Cream Substitutes > > I have not used cow's milk for over a year now and the only milk I can get is the pasteurised milk. Soy milk was also frowned upon, what other alternatives can I used or make (except almonds) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 I have used coconut milk a lot. But that is not on the diet. irene At 08:09 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote: >I have not used cow's milk for over a year now and the only milk I can get >is the pasteurised milk. Soy milk was also frowned upon, what other >alternatives can I used or make (except almonds) ? > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 > > I have not used cow's milk for over a year now and the only milk I can get is the pasteurised milk. Soy milk was also frowned upon, what other alternatives can I used or make (except almonds) ? ==>Since there isn't anything on this diet that requires the use of milk, such substitutes are not necessary. I recommend you have Bee's Raw Egg drink for breakfast - in the recipe folder under drinks. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Hi All, I posted a " I'm new to the group " message earlier today. I've seen postings by people asking about a milk alternative. We tried rice milk and almond milk and couldn't get them down my son. So then, per the recommendation from a neighbor doing the GF/CF diet, we tried Vance's Foods Dari Free. You have to order it off the internet from Vance's Foods. Although some natural foods stores around the country may carry it. I'd be curious to know what you all think of it if you check it out and the ingredients. It's potato-based and supplmented with calcium and a lot of vitamins. They sell regular and chocolate. Just an fyi, Pearson Mom of Owen, 33 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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