Re: Reducing dosage during a campaign

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much TK and Jackie,

I did not realize 1 mg/lb body weight was the recommended upper limit.

I weigh 170 lbs, so a max dose for me would be 170 mg. Thank you

also for the reminder about linear side effects vs square root

effectiveness. I plan on never going above 100 mg again, and I've

asked my doctor to write a prescription for 50 mg. I may go back down

to that dose for future campaigns. I may also switch to DMPS. Not

only did I learn it's not worth it to push too fast, but also it might

be worth the extra money to avoid the side effects.

I did continue this campaign at 100mg of DMSA. Today I am definitely

more tired than normal and I still have more of the shakiness and

feelings of general malaise than I had in my previous campaign at

100mg of DMSA, but I'm much better than I was yesterday. I would like

to think I softened some of the redistribution by lowering back to

100mg instead of stopping abruptly after only 36 hours of a round, but

I guess there is no way to know for sure. I plan on continuing this

campaign for 30 more hours for a total of four days.

Thank you for your recommendations about ALA. I think I will get

settled with a few more campaigns before adding it in at 12.5mg. I am

over a year from my last amalgam removal.

I am curious regarding side effects - are any symptoms of mercury

redistribution considered too much with the implication that the dose

should be lowered? Or is some degree of side effects considered

inevitable if you're ever going to get the mercury out? I fear I've

put so much mercury in my brain from months of improper chelation that

I've grown to expect the side effects, and sometimes I think it's

tough for me to discern an increase in side effects from the regular

symptoms of my mercury toxic brain.

While I'm here I would like to ask, are you still taking submissions

for bad reactions to bad protocols? I have a tale about the

glutathione supplementation that is a doosie, and I've noticed that

glutathione IV's have become ever more popular with the alternative

doctor crowd.

Per your request, I'll let you know how I'm doing when my campaign

ends too. Thanks again.

.

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'm curious if anyone has any opinion on the advisability of reducing

> a dosage of DMSA during the middle of a campaign?

>

> ---------As TK said, not generally recommended.--------Jackie

>

>

>

> I made the mistake of trying my most recent campaign with double the

> dosage of DMSA from my previous campaign. I went from 100mg to 200mg

>

> -----------I think TK answered most of your questions, but the

other thing that came to my mind is that Andy recommends starting with

1/8 -1/2 mg/lb, and not to exceed 1 mg/lb for your highest dose, after

building up to that. So I'm just curious if you fall within those

ranges, or if you exceeded the recommended maximum dose.-----------Jackie

>

> ------------If you went from 100mg to 200mg because you only had

100mg capsules, then there are 25mg capsules available in the links

section. But I also agree with TK, that if you tolerate that high of

a dose of DMSA, then I would work on adding in the ALA when you can,

instead of pushing the DMSA any higher. TK has said so many times

that people get in trouble when they try to go too fast.----------Jackie

>

>

> (1.5 months in, no ALA yet). I know this was a bad idea for several

> reasons: 100mg is already a really high dose and I'm increasing by

> more than 50% from my previous dose, which Cutler says not to do. I

> honestly don't know why I thought to do this. I was doing so well for

> so long on 100mg, which was the only increment I had, but obviously I

> should have just stuck with it.

>

> -------------Yes, Andy has said that too, when you find a dose

that is good for you, stick with it for a long time. If you're doing

well at 100mg, then stay there until your 3 months are up and you can

add in ALA.----------Jackie

>

>

>

> Anyway, it's done now, and now I'm experiencing vastly increased

> headaches, shakiness, and general extreme malaise after just over 24

> hours of the campaign.

>

> ------------This is an excellent example of too high of doses

causing redistribution and new and/or much worse symptoms. I hope

everyone takes heed of this, so they can understand why we push and

push to use low doses on a proper protocol and not to get in a hurry.

It's just not worth it, IMO.

>

> And as Andy has stated before, symptoms increase linearly, so

double the dose double the symptoms, but you only increased your

mercury excretion by less than the square root, so something like

30-ish % if I remember right? So that's why he says its just not

worth the extra symptoms for the small gain in excretion you get from

doubling your dose.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> I was thinking, since I haven't actually

> missed any doses, I might actually be better off if I just lower my

> dose down to 100mg and finish the campaign rather than stop it

> completely right now and suffer the (sure to be unpleasant)

> consequences right away. I took only 100 mg for my last dose and I'm

> going to try keeping it at 100 mg overnight tonight for both doses. I

> just thought I'd put this out there and see if anyone else has tried

> it and has any advice. I'll post my results tomorrow to add to the

> collective knowledge here.

>

> ------------Yes, I would like to hear how you did/do with the

dosage decrease during the round, and very curious about your

end-of-round symptoms, especially compared to your other rounds.

Thanks.----------Jackie

>

>

>

> Thanks all!

> .

[Guest guest]

-

Much better to stop, use lots of antioxidants, and then start again after a

rest - at least 3 or 4 days.

Dave

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Posted by: " jrepp330 " jrepp330@... jrepp330

Thu May 29, 2008 5:28 am (PDT)

Hello all,

I'm curious if anyone has any opinion on the advisability of reducing

a dosage of DMSA during the middle of a campaign?

I made the mistake of trying my most recent campaign with double the

dosage of DMSA from my previous campaign. I went from 100mg to 200mg

(1.5 months in, no ALA yet). I know this was a bad idea for several

reasons: 100mg is already a really high dose and I'm increasing by

more than 50% from my previous dose, which Cutler says not to do. I

honestly don't know why I thought to do this. I was doing so well for

so long on 100mg, which was the only increment I had, but obviously I

should have just stuck with it.

Anyway, it's done now, and now I'm experiencing vastly increased

headaches, shakiness, and general extreme malaise after just over 24

hours of the campaign. I was thinking, since I haven't actually

missed any doses, I might actually be better off if I just lower my

dose down to 100mg and finish the campaign rather than stop it

completely right now and suffer the (sure to be unpleasant)

consequences right away. I took only 100 mg for my last dose and I'm

going to try keeping it at 100 mg overnight tonight for both doses. I

just thought I'd put this out there and see if anyone else has tried

it and has any advice. I'll post my results tomorrow to add to the

collective knowledge here.

Thanks all!

.

[Guest guest]

- you can tell if your dose is too high, by (1) making sure you don't go

beyond your abilities during the round (and notice this is a long process, so

you need to be doing what you are able to do over the long term, not just what

you can handle on one round), and (2) paying attention to how long your

side-effects go on after a round, they should not last longer than 24 hours.

Dave

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Posted by: " jrepp330 " jrepp330@... jrepp330

Thu May 29, 2008 9:59 pm (PDT)

Thank you very much TK and Jackie,

I did not realize 1 mg/lb body weight was the recommended upper limit.

I weigh 170 lbs, so a max dose for me would be 170 mg. Thank you

also for the reminder about linear side effects vs square root

effectiveness. I plan on never going above 100 mg again, and I've

asked my doctor to write a prescription for 50 mg. I may go back down

to that dose for future campaigns. I may also switch to DMPS. Not

only did I learn it's not worth it to push too fast, but also it might

be worth the extra money to avoid the side effects.

I did continue this campaign at 100mg of DMSA. Today I am definitely

more tired than normal and I still have more of the shakiness and

feelings of general malaise than I had in my previous campaign at

100mg of DMSA, but I'm much better than I was yesterday. I would like

to think I softened some of the redistribution by lowering back to

100mg instead of stopping abruptly after only 36 hours of a round, but

I guess there is no way to know for sure. I plan on continuing this

campaign for 30 more hours for a total of four days.

Thank you for your recommendations about ALA. I think I will get

settled with a few more campaigns before adding it in at 12.5mg. I am

over a year from my last amalgam removal.

I am curious regarding side effects - are any symptoms of mercury

redistribution considered too much with the implication that the dose

should be lowered? Or is some degree of side effects considered

inevitable if you're ever going to get the mercury out? I fear I've

put so much mercury in my brain from months of improper chelation that

I've grown to expect the side effects, and sometimes I think it's

tough for me to discern an increase in side effects from the regular

symptoms of my mercury toxic brain.

While I'm here I would like to ask, are you still taking submissions

for bad reactions to bad protocols? I have a tale about the

glutathione supplementation that is a doosie, and I've noticed that

glutathione IV's have become ever more popular with the alternative

doctor crowd.

Per your request, I'll let you know how I'm doing when my campaign

ends too. Thanks again.

.