Re: DMPS in the UK

[Guest guest]

I'm in the UK and would like to get hold of some too, but haven't

succeeded yet. I did find a bulk supplier of Unithiol, which I think

is just another name for DMPS, but the minimum order was 1 kg and

that's nearly £2000.

Guy

>

> Hi was wondering if anybody uses DMPS and is from the uk, or knows

were

> i could get hold of some being from the UK... as im finding it

> difficult to obtain some. Thanks alot

>

[Guest guest]

hi sunshine

sory this isnt a repply to ur questions as i am new to the group and do not kno

much yet.

i am in manchester UK, i was wondering if you cud share any resources u have in

the uk, labs, where to buy products etc

thanx joanne

DMPS in the UK

I am trying to get some DMPS in the UK so I saw a Mercury doctor

today, a Dr Damien Downing in Harley Street, in central London.

Normal doctors don't know anything about mercury, so I thought I'd

try a doctor that at least had some mercury experience, even if he is

not aware of the Cutler Protocol and uses unsafe chelation methods.

(...)

[Guest guest]

> At Air Canada right now there are seats from Vancouver to London for

> $274 each way. Seattle is a short bus ride from Vancouver. I think

> it would be cheaper to fly to see , and do the tests she

> recommends. Check and see if you are allowed to import prescription

> drugs.

>

hi linda

does julie have a web-site? phone number? wud one need to check with

the airline to see about importing rules.

i'm pregnant at the moment 5 months with 3 amalagams and thankfully do

not believe i am very mercury poisioned, i think i wil have the three

teeth pulled to stop vapour being releases, but wud this cause my body

to dump more mercury in my system once the burden of vapour stops?

i think chelation is not gona be a gud idea til after breastfeeding, i

was going to do it for 2 years but think i wil give him an healthy

homemade alternative after one year instead

thanx joanne

[Guest guest]

>

> hi sunshine

> sory this isnt a repply to ur questions as i am new to the group and

do not kno much yet.

> i am in manchester UK, i was wondering if you cud share any resources

u have in the uk, labs, where to buy products etc

> thanx joanne

Hi Joanne, yeah sure. I got lots of contacts, suppliers, shops and

online stuff....what specifically do you need?

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

>

> If I do all these tests, which I can't see being of any value to me,

> and convince him to give me dmps, it will cost me a load more

> money….minimum £600 ($1200) and probably double that.

>

> Is it worth it? Just to get DMPS?

Geeeez, what a guy! I'd say NO it's not worth it. In my experience,

when you work with someone like that there is a constant tension and

you are always trying to negotiate with them. There must be another

way...

You might want to look for UK or Europe-based autism biomed forums

and see if you can join and ask about DMPS sources. Here is a yahoo

forum:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Biomedical-Europe/

> Will those tests tell me anything useful?

The only test that might possibly be useful would be the liver

function test.

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> Sunshine

>

[Guest guest]

> I think

> it would be cheaper to fly to see , and do the tests

she

> recommends. Check and see if you are allowed to import prescription

> drugs.

------thanks good idea.

>

>

> > Is it worth it? Just to get DMPS?

> >

>

> DMPS is very nice to have because of the longer dose interval and

low

> side effect profile.

-----------I don't mind about the dose timings, when I get to ALA I

will still be frequent dosing anyway….but it's the low side effect

profile part of it I want because i can only handle 5mg dmsa after 17

rounds.

>

>

> > Will those tests tell me anything useful?

> >

>

> I wouldn't pay for the tests that the doctor recommended. It's

> highway robbery the way that he loots people.

>

> J

-------------thanks. Someone else just emailed me

and said that clinic wanted him to take 400mg ala once a day. I'm

slightly worried he might catch me off guard and convince me to do

something I regret.

I'm not in a rush, just exploring options. I will avoid him and save

the money. There must be a better way to get DMPS.

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

> You might want to look for UK or Europe-based autism biomed forums

> and see if you can join and ask about DMPS sources. Here is a

yahoo

> forum:

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Biomedical-Europe/

---------thks i will have a dig around.

>

>

>

> > Will those tests tell me anything useful?

>

> The only test that might possibly be useful would be the liver

> function test.

>

> --

----------The liver function test came in the post today…..

Part of the test is I need to take some caffeine….which I gave up 3

years ago and still refuse to drink now because of what it does.

I also need to take aspirin and some paracetamol…..i gave up this

rubbish 18 months ago and vowed never to touch it again……

This stuff in this test goes against everything I have learnt these

last 18 months……I refuse to compromise my understandings/beliefs for

a doctor that I don't believe in …..also feels wrong to go to a

doctor that I don't respect or believe is any good at what he does.

Thanks everyone…..i will avoid this Dr. Downing and suggest everyone

else does too.

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

>

> hi linda

>

> does julie have a web-site?

www.npjulie.com

> phone number?

The phone no is on the web site somewhere.

> wud one need to check with

> the airline to see about importing rules.

>

I checked and they were ok with me carrying any prescription that was

for myself, as long as it was clearly labeled. It would be a good

idea to check with the airline as each might be different and rules

might change.

Health Canada asked me to carry the prescription with me (the written

one as well as what was on the label of the vial). That was for

crossing the border, not for the air line.

The people at the border told me that next time I should get a letter

from Health Canada saying that the substance (DMPS) is allowed in

Canada. It is, and the Health Canada officials in Ottawa told me on

the phone that I didn't need a letter and the border officials didn't

know what they were doing.

Not sure what the regulations are in the UK. It's worthwhile checking

it all out before hand, and keep the names and phone nos of any

officials that you talk to.

> i'm pregnant at the moment 5 months with 3 amalagams and thankfully do

> not believe i am very mercury poisioned,

>i think i wil have the three

> teeth pulled to stop vapour being releases,

Check with Andy before doing this. I don't recall anyone asking him

about removing amalgam filled teeth when pregnant. It wouldn't be a

good idea to remove the amalgam.

> but wud this cause my body

> to dump more mercury in my system once the burden of vapour stops?

>

Yes. Three months after all amalgam is removed you can count on a

dump of mercury out of the organs.

> i think chelation is not gona be a gud idea til after breastfeeding, i

> was going to do it for 2 years but think i wil give him an healthy

> homemade alternative after one year instead

>

There are lots of posts from Andy in the autism mercury archives about

the benefits of breast feeding.

J

> thanx joanne

>

[Guest guest]

thanks sunshine

just any contacts/resources u think wud b gud 4 sum1 just begginning

thank joanne

Re: DMPS in the UK

>

> hi sunshine

> sory this isnt a repply to ur questions as i am new to the group and

do not kno much yet.

> i am in manchester UK, i was wondering if you cud share any resources

u have in the uk, labs, where to buy products etc

> thanx joanne

Hi Joanne, yeah sure. I got lots of contacts, suppliers, shops and

online stuff....what specifically do you need?

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

Good for your for being feisty!

I'd first ask you why you want DMPS. You are already chelating and it appears

to be time to use ALA. Neither DMPS nor DMSA will get your any further, unless

you are dealing with lead.

As for the tests - well in the US, the way these jokers make their money is

from testing. Andy has explained that hair (and so fecal) tests are not

informative except if (1) they (urine) is a 24 hour collection (and you check

that the total creatinine came out right) and (2) you know how to analyze the

movement of mercury through different compartments of the body. (I don't know

the details here myself, but I am guessing this would only be relevant if you

had a series of tests taken over a period of time.)

As for a mercury allergy - well, the first question would be, what would he do

with the result? I mean, mercury allergy or not you will need to detox.

Finally, on the liver test (and I'm assuming this would be like the old GSDL

liver clearance test), I believe it is really only relevant (assuming it's a

good lab) if you are having trouble with MCS. Even then, I'm remembering that

it only tested the liver's response to caffeine, which has limited

applicability when dealing with other toxins (there is more on this in Andy's

AI book).

I'll just mention that a book I read by an MD, critical of his profession,

mentioned what I said here about MDs making their money on tests. He said that

the right questions to ask are the false positive/negative rates, and what

would you do differently if the test results indicated one thing vs. another.

That set of questions is always good to keep in mind.

Dave.

PS. After his critical response to what is not a " cutler protocol " , but more

exactly a " physiologically appropriate protocol " , you might have asked him just

what he things this " cutler protocol " is. He probably had little idea. You

could then blind him back by asking him how in he** giving you a bolus dose of

chelator (which I'm assing that injection would be) is preferable to your

taking a lower dose at the half life of the chelator, just like his first year

pharmacy texts taught him he should do. On second thought, better yet, don't

waste your time.

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Posted by: " sunshinep1969 " danielproudfoot2001@... sunshinep1969

Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:23 am (PDT)

I am trying to get some DMPS in the UK so I saw a Mercury doctor

today, a Dr Damien Downing in Harley Street, in central London.

Normal doctors don't know anything about mercury, so I thought I'd

try a doctor that at least had some mercury experience, even if he is

not aware of the Cutler Protocol and uses unsafe chelation methods.

He was only willing to " consider " prescribing DMPS to me, if he

tested me to make sure the mercury is coming out of me under my

current Cutler protocol already. He insisted on me being a patient of

his and of him keeping track on my progress by regular testing and

monitoring. He insisted on doing things his way. I insisted on doing

things my way and the Cutler way and he just about agreed we could

find common ground if he did loads of tests.

I have done 17 rounds and I am at 5mg DMSA every 2.5 hours in the day

and 3 hours at night. This dose and timing is perfect for me. I am 8

months amalgam free. My health is a hundred times better than it was

8 months ago when the final amalgams got removed when I was in a very

sorry state. Life is very much getting back to normal (-ish.)

This doctor was critical of the Cutler protocol, (although he had

not read the book!) critical of my 2 hair tests (but his tests where

perfect), critical of some of my cleansing methods(all of which made

me better), critical of my supplements (which are as per Cutler

recommends) and he did attempt to blind me with science. He

eventually started talking about testing my genes for

errors…. " because it would be interesting to really KNOW what was

wrong " ....at 900 euro's for the test plus his fees! But I talked him

out of that for now.

He wanted me to get the following tests, then he would consider

prescribing me DMPS:

-blood test for metals allergy

-stool test for metal excretion

-urine test for metal excretion

-liver function test.

I got the urine test in the post today…..a 6 hour test…shouldn't I be

doing a 24 hours collection? And should I do this during or after a

chelation round? I guess at the end of a round.

Question: are any of these tests of any value to me?

Another Question: are these tests of any value to the doctor? Will

they actually tell him anything that will enable him to see the

chelation IS working so he will give me DMPS?

I do not feel the need to get any of these tests done whatsoever. I

know I am mercury toxic, I know chelation and all the other cleanses

I do are working because I am 100 times better than I was…however if

I want the opportunity of trying some DMPS…..this is my best bet.

He did describe some of the treatments he might recommend and they

all involved me giving him loads more cash and him injecting me with

….. stuff. None of which is of any interest to me either now or in

the future.

I guess the liver function test might be interesting for me, but I

already know my liver is congested and the steps I have already taken

have already made it much better. Herbal cleanses, supplements and

castor oil packs.

He also did a visual " Contrast Sensitivity function " test (CSF) which

was new to me and confirmed my head was full of neurotoxins. This was

the only interesting thing but even so already I knew that from my

symptoms and my life.

Note to any newbies reading this in the UK…up to now I would NOT

suggests seeing this doctor for mercury issues. He is way too set in

his ways and unable to look at anything not in his narrow frame of

reference. He will blind you with science and set you a chelation

protocol that we here using the Cutler protocol consider dangerous. I

am only seeing him to get DMPS to continue my Cutler Protocol.

If I do all these tests, which I can't see being of any value to me,

and convince him to give me dmps, it will cost me a load more

money….minimum £600 ($1200) and probably double that.

Is it worth it? Just to get DMPS?

Will those tests tell me anything useful?

Sunshine

[Guest guest]

Joanne - Below.

Posted by: " joanne_finigan " joanne_finigan@... joanne_finigan

Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:17 am (PDT)

>>At Air Canada right now there are seats from Vancouver to London for

>>$274 each way. Seattle is a short bus ride from Vancouver. I think

>>it would be cheaper to fly to see , and do the tests she

>>recommends. Check and see if you are allowed to import prescription

>>drugs.

>hi linda

>does julie have a web-site? phone number? wud one need to check with the

airline to see about importing rules.

>i'm pregnant at the moment 5 months with 3 amalagams and thankfully do

not believe i am very mercury poisioned, i think i wil have the three

teeth pulled to stop vapour being releases, but wud this cause my body

to dump more mercury in my system once the burden of vapour stops?

>i think chelation is not gona be a gud idea til after breastfeeding, i

was going to do it for 2 years but think i wil give him an healthy

homemade alternative after one year instead

If you can get good grass-fed milk, and add some things like those suggested by

the WestonAPrice.Org foundation (also at realmilk.com), then I think this could

work well.

>thanx joanne