Re: Why are some people so ignorant?!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/2005 6:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

flipper759@... writes:

Today at church Phil explained to the congregation about his health and his

trip to the hospital pain management etc. Most people were happy to know

how

Phil was doing and that his pain was manageable but our council president

rolled his eyes let out an audible sigh and sat down with his arms folded

and a

look that clearly gave one and all the impression that Phil was wasting

this

guys time.

Gee so sorry to invade your cozy pietistical world with some real world

Lamentations!!

Heaven Forbid!!! I know I shouldn't let the turkeys get me down, but this

just pisses me off!!!!

Narice

Oh, Narice....this man needs to be stoned!!! LOL I'm real forgiving,

aren't I?

Glenn and I have no church community and no one to help us at all... I've

often said, " If we belonged to a church like we should, people would be

bringing us dinners and giving us some moral support, not to mention spiritual

friendship!! But people like your dear mr Council Prez, I can live

without...and

wish you could, too.

I don't blame you one bit for being upset with this man's actions...but what

can you do?? Nuttin'....he's not worth fretting over and making yourself

sick, so calm down...go get a Paxil and chill out....LOL

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/2005 6:39:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brencolinmom@... writes:

This man (council pres) needs to find

his purpose in life and maybe another thing to do on Sundays.

Here! Here!!

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

[Guest guest]

Narice,

I am sure you and Phil are loved by everyone there and I'll bet that other

people saw this jerks

non-compassionate body language....don't you just wish you could smack people

upside the head sometimes!! Don't worry about it, know you are loved.

Grandmommyandme@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/16/2005 6:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

flipper759@... writes:

Today at church Phil explained to the congregation about his health and his

trip to the hospital pain management etc. Most people were happy to know

how

Phil was doing and that his pain was manageable but our council president

rolled his eyes let out an audible sigh and sat down with his arms folded

and a

look that clearly gave one and all the impression that Phil was wasting

this

guys time.

Gee so sorry to invade your cozy pietistical world with some real world

Lamentations!!

Heaven Forbid!!! I know I shouldn't let the turkeys get me down, but this

just pisses me off!!!!

Narice

Oh, Narice....this man needs to be stoned!!! LOL I'm real forgiving,

aren't I?

Glenn and I have no church community and no one to help us at all... I've

often said, " If we belonged to a church like we should, people would be

bringing us dinners and giving us some moral support, not to mention spiritual

friendship!! But people like your dear mr Council Prez, I can live

without...and

wish you could, too.

I don't blame you one bit for being upset with this man's actions...but what

can you do?? Nuttin'....he's not worth fretting over and making yourself

sick, so calm down...go get a Paxil and chill out....LOL

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

[Guest guest]

Narice,

That guy is just creating bad karma for himself. What comes around, goes

around.

Karima

Re: Why are some people so ignorant?!!

Narice,

I am sure you and Phil are loved by everyone there and I'll bet that other

people saw this jerks

non-compassionate body language....don't you just wish you could smack people

upside the head sometimes!! Don't worry about it, know you are loved.

Grandmommyandme@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/16/2005 6:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

flipper759@... writes:

Today at church Phil explained to the congregation about his health and his

trip to the hospital pain management etc. Most people were happy to know

how

Phil was doing and that his pain was manageable but our council president

rolled his eyes let out an audible sigh and sat down with his arms folded

and a

look that clearly gave one and all the impression that Phil was wasting

this

guys time.

Gee so sorry to invade your cozy pietistical world with some real world

Lamentations!!

Heaven Forbid!!! I know I shouldn't let the turkeys get me down, but this

just pisses me off!!!!

Narice

Oh, Narice....this man needs to be stoned!!! LOL I'm real forgiving,

aren't I?

Glenn and I have no church community and no one to help us at all... I've

often said, " If we belonged to a church like we should, people would be

bringing us dinners and giving us some moral support, not to mention

spiritual

friendship!! But people like your dear mr Council Prez, I can live

without...and

wish you could, too.

I don't blame you one bit for being upset with this man's actions...but what

can you do?? Nuttin'....he's not worth fretting over and making yourself

sick, so calm down...go get a Paxil and chill out....LOL

Lots of hugs and prayers, Donelle

Caregiver to Glenn

[Guest guest]

I don't understand folks like this. They are, among other things, single

handedly responsible for keeping thousands of people away from the church. How

did he miss Jesus's entire message like that.

I am so sorry that you and Phil have to deal with this twisted soul during this

already difficult time.

Priscilla A. Savary

Executive Director

Colorectal Cancer Network

PO Box 182, Kensington MD 20895

psavary@...

www.colorectal-cancer.net

_________

Screening for All. Colon Cancer for None.

ProjectMARCH -- rarely in life do you get a chance to make major change or save

thousands of lives. March 6, 2006 you can.

http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/projectmarch.htm

Why are some people so ignorant?!!

Today at church Phil explained to the congregation about his health and his

trip to the hospital pain management etc. Most people were happy to know how

Phil was doing and that his pain was manageable but our council president

rolled his eyes let out an audible sigh and sat down with his arms folded and

a

look that clearly gave one and all the impression that Phil was wasting this

guys time.

Gee so sorry to invade your cozy pietistical world with some real world

Lamentations!!

Heaven Forbid!!! I know I shouldn't let the turkeys get me down, but this

just pisses me off!!!!

Narice

[Guest guest]

Dear Narice,

It's so weird to know that someone maybe upset with one who's so very sick. This

is the ugly part of our world. At times the only thing that counts is

" business " . I get very upset when I hear those things. Now a days we are getting

more and more sick with cancer and it's something that should be shared with

others. Especially in a church, where we all go for confort. Knowing that your

pastor is going through a very delicate period of his life it is only human.

Like him there may be so many other people. Or relatives of those people. I

really don't understand...Am I missing on something? Maybe I did not understand

your message...

love,

Lydia

flipper759@... wrote:

Today at church Phil explained to the congregation about his health and his

trip to the hospital pain management etc. Most people were happy to know how

Phil was doing and that his pain was manageable but our council president

rolled his eyes let out an audible sigh and sat down with his arms folded and a

look that clearly gave one and all the impression that Phil was wasting this

guys time.

Gee so sorry to invade your cozy pietistical world with some real world

Lamentations!!

Heaven Forbid!!! I know I shouldn't let the turkeys get me down, but this

just pisses me off!!!!

Narice

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2005 12:01:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

hlen@... writes:

Narice,

I am a stage 4cc and just waiting for god.

Dear Len:

If you are resigned to be just waiting for G-d, you need a new doctor. I am

also stage 4 and it is hell. But I am not waiting for G-d. I see people

survive this horrific disease. Sure, it isn't fun - they are on and off

various treatments. However, just yesterday I sat next to a beautiful young

woman

who is still living after 10 years. She said to me this disease is curable.

I know a Rabbi who is not in any treatment now who is 11 years plus from

diagnosis with liver mets. Yes, he has had it come back once or twice, but he

beat it each time and is working full time with his synogogue. He doesn't

expect to live forever but no one can do that.

Yesterday, at my oncologist appointment I discussed the disturbing news of

my recent Pet and CT scans. They don't know if what is shown on the liver is

recurrent or residual disease or not. We won't know until possible my next

scan after 4 more treatments (i.e. , 8 weeks). But even if it it it is

" treatable " . It is not a death sentence. Once you give up, there is nothing

anyone can do. And how will you feel if you give up now and find yourself

alive 2

years from now? Will you have spent those 2 years they way you would have

if you had known you would be alive.

Get a new doctor. Travel to a major cancer center that is treating and

curing stage 4 cc (Stanford, perhaps- my husband's alma mater). Don't give up.

[Guest guest]

No one in life should wait for God but wait on God to give you the desires

of your heart.

I can not presume what God will do for any of us but know that He always

knows what is best.

I am realistic but hardly ready to throw in the towel on Phil. When all Dr.

Rothman's resources are tapped he is sending us to a specialist in Pittsburgh

who may know of more options. We walk the journey with God at our side every

day.

Narice

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

Thank you for your tirade. I am sure I needed it. I

get feeling sorry for myself all the time and I do

just " give up "

My problem is that I have had the perfect life.

Everything has gone my way and I have had all the luck

in the world. I raced cars, flew helicopters, surfed.

and did a million dangerous things without one injury.

Well - The only injury is to my brain because it has

made me a nearvous wreck.

This cancer has been chasing me for years. I had it

all cut cleanly away in 98 and then had scopes and

scans and a special laproscopic proceedure to make

sure it was all gone.

I developed a leg pain over a year ago that the GP

doctor couldn't fix and even sent me to a pain

specialist who said it was a collapsed disc and shot

my back full of drugs. I then requested an MRI which

showed the mass pressing on my sciatic nerve and my

left urator, damaging the kidney.

I also have hundreds of cancer tumors in my lungs all

through them.

I have been to Doctor Ko at UCSF and my ONC is from

Stanford where he trained under the best for many

years. I don't think there are any better treatments

than what I'm getting.

I would not have even started chemo, having

experienced it before, but for my wife, who has asked

me to stay with her as long as possible and that is

what I intend to do. Whatever the doctors say is what

I do and my attitude is to to stay here as long as

possible to help my wife and keep my mother from

having to watch me die. Still - It's in god's hands

now and there is nothing else I can do. Hense my

previous statement. I could be here another ten years

but that would be a miricle and I am not deserving of

any of those.

Thanks again for the slap on the back. I am still

coughing. Ha Ha

Len

--- brencolinmom@... wrote:

---------------------------------

In a message dated 10/19/2005 12:01:43 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

hlen@... writes:

Narice,

I am a stage 4cc and just waiting for god.

Dear Len:

If you are resigned to be just waiting for G-d, you

need a new doctor. I am

also stage 4 and it is hell. But I am not waiting

for G-d. I see people

survive this horrific disease. Sure, it isn't fun -

they are on and off

various treatments. However, just yesterday I sat

next to a beautiful young woman

who is still living after 10 years. She said to me

this disease is curable.

I know a Rabbi who is not in any treatment now who is

11 years plus from

diagnosis with liver mets. Yes, he has had it come

back once or twice, but he

beat it each time and is working full time with his

synogogue. He doesn't

expect to live forever but no one can do that.

Yesterday, at my oncologist appointment I discussed

the disturbing news of

my recent Pet and CT scans. They don't know if what

is shown on the liver is

recurrent or residual disease or not. We won't know

until possible my next

scan after 4 more treatments (i.e. , 8 weeks). But

even if it it it is

" treatable " . It is not a death sentence. Once you

give up, there is nothing

anyone can do. And how will you feel if you give up

now and find yourself alive 2

years from now? Will you have spent those 2 years

they way you would have

if you had known you would be alive.

Get a new doctor. Travel to a major cancer center

that is treating and

curing stage 4 cc (Stanford, perhaps- my husband's

alma mater). Don't give up.

[Guest guest]

Hi Len,

I have just read your email. It made me sad, but I also have realized what a

wonderful life you had. Just think of the little children in Africa who never

had anything but misery. At least you can look back and see your self as a happy

man that you were. You musn't think about going away. You must instead enjoy the

simple things of life together with your wife and let the decision as to when to

go to God. I know it's so hard to do that, but if you worry so much for

tomorrow, you won't be happy today, and you won't make your wife happy either.

She loves you and she wants you to be serene, with your self and with the world.

Live today and worry tomorrow. Pretend that you don't know about your future and

enjoy the present time. Eventually we'll all have to go and who knows we may

find a nicer world. At least this what I like to think for myself. My soul will

never die and I will meet my dear ones again.

All my love Len. My prayers are going to you. Don't worry about tomorrow and try

to be happy today. It's really hard but try it.

Love, Lydia

Len Henell wrote:

Hi Pat,

Thank you for your tirade. I am sure I needed it. I

get feeling sorry for myself all the time and I do

just " give up "

My problem is that I have had the perfect life.

Everything has gone my way and I have had all the luck

in the world. I raced cars, flew helicopters, surfed.

and did a million dangerous things without one injury.

Well - The only injury is to my brain because it has

made me a nearvous wreck.

This cancer has been chasing me for years. I had it

all cut cleanly away in 98 and then had scopes and

scans and a special laproscopic proceedure to make

sure it was all gone.

I developed a leg pain over a year ago that the GP

doctor couldn't fix and even sent me to a pain

specialist who said it was a collapsed disc and shot

my back full of drugs. I then requested an MRI which

showed the mass pressing on my sciatic nerve and my

left urator, damaging the kidney.

I also have hundreds of cancer tumors in my lungs all

through them.

I have been to Doctor Ko at UCSF and my ONC is from

Stanford where he trained under the best for many

years. I don't think there are any better treatments

than what I'm getting.

I would not have even started chemo, having

experienced it before, but for my wife, who has asked

me to stay with her as long as possible and that is

what I intend to do. Whatever the doctors say is what

I do and my attitude is to to stay here as long as

possible to help my wife and keep my mother from

having to watch me die. Still - It's in god's hands

now and there is nothing else I can do. Hense my

previous statement. I could be here another ten years

but that would be a miricle and I am not deserving of

any of those.

Thanks again for the slap on the back. I am still

coughing. Ha Ha

Len

--- brencolinmom@... wrote:

---------------------------------

In a message dated 10/19/2005 12:01:43 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

hlen@... writes:

Narice,

I am a stage 4cc and just waiting for god.

Dear Len:

If you are resigned to be just waiting for G-d, you

need a new doctor. I am

also stage 4 and it is hell. But I am not waiting

for G-d. I see people

survive this horrific disease. Sure, it isn't fun -

they are on and off

various treatments. However, just yesterday I sat

next to a beautiful young woman

who is still living after 10 years. She said to me

this disease is curable.

I know a Rabbi who is not in any treatment now who is

11 years plus from

diagnosis with liver mets. Yes, he has had it come

back once or twice, but he

beat it each time and is working full time with his

synogogue. He doesn't

expect to live forever but no one can do that.

Yesterday, at my oncologist appointment I discussed

the disturbing news of

my recent Pet and CT scans. They don't know if what

is shown on the liver is

recurrent or residual disease or not. We won't know

until possible my next

scan after 4 more treatments (i.e. , 8 weeks). But

even if it it it is

" treatable " . It is not a death sentence. Once you

give up, there is nothing

anyone can do. And how will you feel if you give up

now and find yourself alive 2

years from now? Will you have spent those 2 years

they way you would have

if you had known you would be alive.

Get a new doctor. Travel to a major cancer center

that is treating and

curing stage 4 cc (Stanford, perhaps- my husband's

alma mater). Don't give up.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lydia

--- mily wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi Len,

I have just read your email. It made me sad, but I

also have realized what a wonderful life you had. Just

think of the little children in Africa who never had

anything but misery. At least you can look back and

see your self as a happy man that you were. You musn't

think about going away. You must instead enjoy the

simple things of life together with your wife and let

the decision as to when to go to God. I know it's so

hard to do that, but if you worry so much for

tomorrow, you won't be happy today, and you won't make

your wife happy either. She loves you and she wants

you to be serene, with your self and with the world.

Live today and worry tomorrow. Pretend that you don't

know about your future and enjoy the present time.

Eventually we'll all have to go and who knows we may

find a nicer world. At least this what I like to think

for myself. My soul will never die and I will meet my

dear ones again.

All my love Len. My prayers are going to you. Don't

worry about tomorrow and try to be happy today. It's

really hard but try it.

Love, Lydia

Len Henell wrote:

Hi Pat,

Thank you for your tirade. I am sure I needed it. I

get feeling sorry for myself all the time and I do

just " give up "

My problem is that I have had the perfect life.

Everything has gone my way and I have had all the luck

in the world. I raced cars, flew helicopters, surfed.

and did a million dangerous things without one injury.

Well - The only injury is to my brain because it has

made me a nearvous wreck.

This cancer has been chasing me for years. I had it

all cut cleanly away in 98 and then had scopes and

scans and a special laproscopic proceedure to make

sure it was all gone.

I developed a leg pain over a year ago that the GP

doctor couldn't fix and even sent me to a pain

specialist who said it was a collapsed disc and shot

my back full of drugs. I then requested an MRI which

showed the mass pressing on my sciatic nerve and my

left urator, damaging the kidney.

I also have hundreds of cancer tumors in my lungs all

through them.

I have been to Doctor Ko at UCSF and my ONC is from

Stanford where he trained under the best for many

years. I don't think there are any better treatments

than what I'm getting.

I would not have even started chemo, having

experienced it before, but for my wife, who has asked

me to stay with her as long as possible and that is

what I intend to do. Whatever the doctors say is what

I do and my attitude is to to stay here as long as

possible to help my wife and keep my mother from

having to watch me die. Still - It's in god's hands

now and there is nothing else I can do. Hense my

previous statement. I could be here another ten years

but that would be a miricle and I am not deserving of

any of those.

Thanks again for the slap on the back. I am still

coughing. Ha Ha

Len

--- brencolinmom@... wrote:

---------------------------------

In a message dated 10/19/2005 12:01:43 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

hlen@... writes:

Narice,

I am a stage 4cc and just waiting for god.

Dear Len:

If you are resigned to be just waiting for G-d, you

need a new doctor. I am

also stage 4 and it is hell. But I am not waiting

for G-d. I see people

survive this horrific disease. Sure, it isn't fun -

they are on and off

various treatments. However, just yesterday I sat

next to a beautiful young woman

who is still living after 10 years. She said to me

this disease is curable.

I know a Rabbi who is not in any treatment now who is

11 years plus from

diagnosis with liver mets. Yes, he has had it come

back once or twice, but he

beat it each time and is working full time with his

synogogue. He doesn't

expect to live forever but no one can do that.

Yesterday, at my oncologist appointment I discussed

the disturbing news of

my recent Pet and CT scans. They don't know if what

is shown on the liver is

recurrent or residual disease or not. We won't know

until possible my next

scan after 4 more treatments (i.e. , 8 weeks). But

even if it it it is

" treatable " . It is not a death sentence. Once you

give up, there is nothing

anyone can do. And how will you feel if you give up

now and find yourself alive 2

years from now? Will you have spent those 2 years

they way you would have

if you had known you would be alive.

Get a new doctor. Travel to a major cancer center

that is treating and

curing stage 4 cc (Stanford, perhaps- my husband's

alma mater). Don't give up.