Re: AI and my amalgam-induced infertility (to Andy and )

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> Andy and

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> This subject line of this post has been changed. It used to be " Re:

a few questions from a

> beginner. "

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I changed the subject line. That is what we ask people to do as the

subject morphs. The subject line is the clue people have about the

content. Some may find important information in this thread that is

relevant to their own situation, and others may wish to skip the

thread (if, for example, they are beyond child bearing years).

I personally think that this subject is very relevant to many people

who are removing amalgams and chelating. It is also a subject that is

not talked about often enough and openly enough for people to really

make informed decisions. I appreciate the contributions that you and

Andy have made (but I don't know when/if Andy will be back to say more).

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> > If you think that is happening to you why not check the theory out

> > with a doctor.

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> ----------I am. It has been very difficult to find a doctor who

won't scoff at my claim

> that I have hypoadrenal symptoms,

Right.

It is usually possible to find doctors willing to talk about

infertility and run some tests, and even some who are willing to talk

about natural birth control methods. It is difficult to find the

" right " doctors. I hope that you have some luck.

J

but I have a doctor's appointment today with an

> Osteopathic Doctor. In addition to asking for her help with my

hypoadrenal problems and

> difficult menstrual and hormonal problems, I'll be asking her for

some of the tests to

> determine if my pituitary is the problem, tests which Andy said on

page 114 are valuable

> for this purpose. We'll see if she is willing to help me with that.

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> Abrenica

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> ----------I am. It has been very difficult to find a doctor who won't

> scoff at my claim

> that I have hypoadrenal symptoms, but I have a doctor's appointment today

> with an

> Osteopathic Doctor. In addition to asking for her help with my hypoadrenal

> problems and

> difficult menstrual and hormonal problems, I'll be asking her for some of

> the tests to

> determine if my pituitary is the problem, tests which Andy said on page

> 114 are valuable

> for this purpose. We'll see if she is willing to help me with that.

>

> Abrenica

Hi ,

Your belief is strongly supported by Dr Jeffries in Safe Uses of Cortisol.

Part of his awakening to the power of cortisol was that when he began giving

it to rheumatoid patients many of them fell pregnant (after being infertile

for years).

He used it many times since for the treatment of infertility and his book

has lots of info.

Here is a article on it by the highly respected (in my opinion) Dr

Teitelbaum.

" Research by Jeffries, M.D., an emeritus professor of endocrinology

at Case Western Reserve University, has shown that some women's difficulty

getting pregnant can be overcome by taking a low dose of cortisol (Cortef).

Although cortisol in high doses for prolonged periods can be very toxic,

taking Cortef 5 mg twice a day for 2 to 3 months is unlikely to cause major

problems in the absence of high blood pressure or a family history of

diabetes. His experience is this can often result in people with infertility

getting pregnant as well (although he uses 5 mg 4 times a day). This is

especially true with polycystic ovaries (Stein-Leventhal syndrome). "

DeanSA

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In frequent-dose-chelation jennifer.robinsong wrote:

Andy and

This subject line of this post has been changed. It used to be " Re: a few

questions from a beginner. "

------------I agree with for changing the subject line. It helps when

searching archives later, and the above subject line sounds more like questions

from someone beginning chelation, not asking questions about

infertility.-------Jackie

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I really don't understand why my comments on this topic are being taken as if

I'm saying something off-kilter (for lack of better word-selection:). I'm trying

to show you how the hormone interactions and changes due to amalgam illness

described page 34 and page 114 and page ____ of Andy's book AI actually are very

much in agreement with what I'm experiencing and describing here. Andy himself

even says in AI (very frustrating that I

can't find that quote in my copy of the book right now--I'll have to search

more later and post the quote and page number when I do find it) that one of the

symptoms is for women to have difficulty conceiving! That is most certainly a

symptom of Amalgam Illness that I am experiencing. So why is he acting now like

everything I'm saying is bogus? It's all in your book, Andy! You even give a

book in your list of " Useful Books, " listed on page 173, entitled " Infertility

and Birth Defects---Is Mercury from Silver Dental Fillings a Hidden Cause? " by

Ziff. So why do you seem to be skeptical at my claim of infertility?

-----------------, this is my take on what Andy and are trying

to tell you. Neither one disagrees that amalgam illness *may* be contributing

to your infertility. What they are trying to tell you is that there is *no

guarantee* that you won't get pregnant, even if you are hypoadrenal and mercury

poisoned.

The reason they are so adamantly warning you about this, is because neither

one of them wants to see you get pregnant anytime during those first 12-18

months post amalgam removal, when alot of mercury is moving around in your body,

and could do substantial harm to your fetus. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BABY.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but Andy has worked extensively with

parents of autistic children, and I think he feels if he can prevent one more

autistic child from being born, then his time and effort is well spent. He's

not arguing with you over how conception works just to see who's right, I

believe he's arguing with you because he doesn't want to be responsible for you

thinking that you won't get pregnant because of what you have read in his book,

and THEN end up with an autistic child. And the above book by Ziff mentions

birth defects, so that's probably a reason he has referenced it also.

So their responses come out of concern for the baby, and for the fact that

they cannot guarantee you that you won't become pregnant in your current

condition, so they in good conscience have to warn you about not conceiving

during this time of amalgam removal and a period of 12-18 months afterwards. It

may be *unlikely* that you will become pregnant, but not totally impossible, and

they don't want to be responsible for you thinking otherwise. That is how I

read this whole thing.-----------Jackie

Well, I'm not looking to Andy or this webgroup for a source of confirmation

that I'm experiencing infertility. I have already been intimitely acquainted

with that fact long before I ordered AI. Then, upon reading AI, I found a number

of enlightening facts that are helping to explain the background causes of my

infertility. Andy just wrote a response to my February comments on this forum

about my hypoadrenal symptoms and connected

hormonal issues related to infertility , so I've just been trying to clarify

to Andy what my experience has been in this area.

-----------Again, just my take, I don't think he's disagreeing that these

things are either causing or contributing to your infertility, I think he's just

trying to tell you that this is no guarantee that you won't get pregnant either,

and he doesn't want to be responsible for you getting pregnant during a time

that there is more mercury floating around in your bloodstream. Again, he has

lots of experience with mothers of autistic children, and he doesn't want to see

that happen to you. He's telling you the safest thing for you to do is to make

sure you don't get pregnant during the 12-18 months post amalgam removal. He's

concerned about the baby.----------Jackie

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Abrenica

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> Hi ,

> Your belief is strongly supported by Dr Jeffries in Safe Uses of

Cortisol.

> Part of his awakening to the power of cortisol was that when he

began giving

> it to rheumatoid patients many of them fell pregnant (after being

infertile

> for years).

> He used it many times since for the treatment of infertility and his

book

> has lots of info.

>

> Here is a article on it by the highly respected (in my opinion) Dr

> Teitelbaum.

> " Research by Jeffries, M.D., an emeritus professor of

endocrinology

> at Case Western Reserve University, has shown that some women's

difficulty

> getting pregnant can be overcome by taking a low dose of cortisol

(Cortef).

> Although cortisol in high doses for prolonged periods can be very

toxic,

> taking Cortef 5 mg twice a day for 2 to 3 months is unlikely to

cause major

> problems in the absence of high blood pressure or a family history of

> diabetes. His experience is this can often result in people with

infertility

> getting pregnant as well (although he uses 5 mg 4 times a day). This is

> especially true with polycystic ovaries (Stein-Leventhal syndrome). "

>

> DeanSA

>

Dean,

I'm not disagreeing with anything that you are saying above. What I

am saying is that the information that has posted isn't enough

to make a diagnosis (not that it is our role to diagnose people, but

we can discuss the symptoms that lead to diagnoses) and that even if

she was not able to get pregnant during one year of trying, there is

still a **risk** that she could become pregnant. It is the risk that

concerns me because she seems to believe that there is no risk and I

believe that is a false sense of security.

J

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> " Any way you look at it, everything should be done to avoid more

> Autistic kids, it is not fair on them if we know better. "

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> ------------------------- But that being said, let me offer you a

> friendly challenge, Dean and . Do you think you could say to

> the parents of Autistic kids on this list and the other Autism yahoo

> groups that " everything should be done to avoid more Autistic

> kids? " Give me the choice—any day, any year, any time—between

> mothering an Autistic child and mothering no child at all, and I

> will choose to bring that Autistic child (or child with some other

> birth defect) into this world in the blink of an eye, rather than

> have him never be born. There is not a single parent of Autistic

> children who, after all they've been through with their child, would

> say they wish the child was never born at all, since the child

But how many parents of autistic children, once they KNOW about

amalgam, keep having babies WITHOUT chelating? I think that you are

overlooking the responsibility that one has once one KNOWS. What we

do in ignorance, we can't help. But what we do with FULL KNOWLEDGE,

that is a different matter.

> wasn't born " normal. " I'd even make the leap and say, ask any

> Autistic child recovered enough to communicate with you whether

> they're glad they were brought into this world, in view of their

> autism, and they would say " yes, I'm glad I was born. " Autistic

But what would their answer be if you asked them, " Your mother KNEW

she was poisoned and that you might be born disabled because of it,

and she know that if she waited until she was well you would have a

better chance to be born healthy, but she didn't want to wait. Do you

think she should have waited? " How many of them would say that they

wished she had waited so that they could have been born healthy?

> children are still blessings, even if no one ever finds a way to

> free them of their autism. The person who says it's better to not

> conceive the child at all than to risk conceiving a child with

> Autism (or Down Syndrome, or whatever)--and that is exactly what is

> being said when people say I should use birth control--is a person

Well, I can't speak for " everyone " but what I mean, when I say that

you should use a better form of birth control than the one [toxic

body] that you ARE using, is that God has given you intelligence, He

has given you a good head for research and He has lead you to all of

this information about the poison and what it does and how to get rid

of it. Why do you think He doesn't mean for you to use that

intelligence and take reasonable measures to prevent a pregnancy

during a time of known fetal-damaging activity? Why does He have to

do all the work (to keep you from getting pregnant)?

> who still doesn't understand the hope for the future that EVERY

> child represents. And, thanks in large part to contributions

> by people like Andy Cutler, I think that there are a lot of parents

> of autistic children out there now who understand that there is more

> hope than ever before for those precious Blessings. I know so many

> on this webgroup now have a glimpse of that hope that they didn't

> have before, because of Andy's books. Jada and her new website are a

> perfect example of that hope. Look at her site and then tell me: Can

> you tell Jada she should have used birth control to avoid the risk

> of bringing her Autistic child into this world?

If she had known about it BEFOREHAND, do you think she would not have

done things differently?

> ----------------------------I never knowingly asked to have a potent

> neurotoxin and reproductive poison implanted in me and spread

> throughout my entire body, but now that I know it's there, I sure as

> h*** am not going to let it steal my hope that any future child

> God may bring into this world through me can still be a healthy,

> strong, happy child, deserving of existence just as much as you and

> I. So I will go on trusting God in this area, rather than taking it

> into my own hands.

None of us knowingly asked for this poison. Personally, I thank God

for leading me to the information, and I will take it into my own

hands to use. I think that's why He lead me to it.

> -----------------Don't worry, Andy, Dean, and : if I get

> pregnant before I'm fully detoxed, I won't blame you for not warning

This is an unfair (and unkind) statement. Nobody here is worried

about being *blamed*. We are worried about your baby.

> me first. Instead, I'll rejoice, no matter what. But if I never hold

> another baby in my arms again because I listened to your

> recommendations to use b.c., only to find out that I missed my

> chances and it was too late to have anymore once I " decided " I was

> " ready, " then I will suffer the sadness of a barren womb the rest of

> my life, not you, and I will live with the regret the rest of my

> life, not you.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like you are a lot more concerned about

your need to mother than about the health of the child that you do

mother. For myself, I think KNOWINGLY having a baby in a toxic body

is the worst form of child neglect there is.

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> Abrenica

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