RE: the mysteries of expressive language

[Guest guest]

Wow!! That really is amazing. I know it's called the " spectrum " now because of

the wide range of severity but it never really dawned on me that each facet of

autism can vary from child to child too. It really is incredible. Thanks for

making me think this morning - LOL.

Debbie E

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Date: 2003/05/04 Sun AM 11:31:37 EDT

To: <parenting_autism >

Subject: the mysteries of expressive language

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[Guest guest]

You know, I think n is heading in this direction, especially as he

becomes more echolalic. He has surprisingly sophisticated phrases now that

I know came from tv, but he does manage to use many in context. However I

am certain he has no idea what they mean.

(SAHM in GA)

MSN elizabethloht@...

n 33, mo, no formal dx

Phoebe, 11 wks

the mysteries of expressive language

>

> Every since he learned to speak, has been the opposite of most kids

on the list -- his expressive speech has been more developed than his

receptive. I've never really understood how that could be possible until

this morning.

>

> He was lying in bed with me, reading me a book. I had to get up and go to

the bathroom. When I came back, I fussed around, opening windows and

checking the clock.

>

> " Lay down, " he said. " Have your morning slumber and I will read you a

story. "

>

> " My morning slumber, " I said, dreamily. " What a lovely phrase, .

Morning slumber. "

>

> " Yeah, " he said. " What does 'slumber' mean, anyway? "

>

> How can he use it perfectly and not know what it means? Well, now at

least I understand higher expressive language...

>

> This whole autism gig never ceases to amaze me.

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think k is doing great. Anyway at some point he would understand

what he uses. WTG k!!!!!!!!!!!

That's something they told me about Dessiree too, when she was evaluated

be the FT doc last year and she recommended us to talk to her with

shorter and simpler phases. She told us it's easy to tent to talk to her

the way she talks but her receptive is weaker so you have to be sure she

understands you, so if she doesn't answer you, you have to make your

request simpler, instead of open-ended questions give her alternatives.

So I guess they are right and expressive can be better than receptive.

And this is really amazing.

Cecilia from Perú, mom to Dessirée (05/07/99)

Lovely husband

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-----Mensaje original-----

De: The Hunny Family

Enviado el: Domingo, 04 de Mayo de 2003 10:49 a.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: the mysteries of expressive language

> Wow!! That really is amazing. I know it's called the " spectrum " now

because of the wide range of severity but it never really dawned on me

that

each facet of autism can vary from child to child too. It really is

incredible. Thanks for making me think this morning - LOL.

>

?To tell you the truth, every time I got a report back saying " higher

expressive language " , I just thought, " that's IMPOSSIBLE. Can't

happen. " I

thought the testers were crazy! I mean, how can a person SAY more than

they

UNDERSTAND?

Well, now I know it's possible. Don't I feel the fool! LOL.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> Wow!! That really is amazing. I know it's called the " spectrum " now

because of the wide range of severity but it never really dawned on me that

each facet of autism can vary from child to child too. It really is

incredible. Thanks for making me think this morning - LOL.

>

?To tell you the truth, every time I got a report back saying " higher

expressive language " , I just thought, " that's IMPOSSIBLE. Can't happen. " I

thought the testers were crazy! I mean, how can a person SAY more than they

UNDERSTAND?

Well, now I know it's possible. Don't I feel the fool! LOL.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

>

> How can he use it perfectly and not know what it means? Well, now

at least I understand higher expressive language... >

Well, you guys probably get sick of me talking about Donna

...but she discusses something similar to this, too. ;-)

She says that she scanned tons of books as a kid, not really

understanding a word, but she remembered the patterns of the words

without meaning actually registering...then it processed when she was

asleep....and when a situation arose where there was no stress on her

to " define " a given word, she started spouting out all kinds of

information she didn't even know she knew, or couldn't really explain

the full meaning of--it was just there in her head.

Could he be " memorizing " auditory patterns (words that go together),

but not really registering what they mean?

Raena

[Guest guest]

>>Well, you guys probably get sick of me talking about Donna <<

Who is she? Where can I read about her?

Re: the mysteries of expressive language

>

> How can he use it perfectly and not know what it means? Well, now

at least I understand higher expressive language... >

Well, you guys probably get sick of me talking about Donna

...but she discusses something similar to this, too. ;-)

She says that she scanned tons of books as a kid, not really

understanding a word, but she remembered the patterns of the words

without meaning actually registering...then it processed when she was

asleep....and when a situation arose where there was no stress on her

to " define " a given word, she started spouting out all kinds of

information she didn't even know she knew, or couldn't really explain

the full meaning of--it was just there in her head.

Could he be " memorizing " auditory patterns (words that go together),

but not really registering what they mean?

Raena

[Guest guest]

>>how can a person SAY more than they UNDERSTAND?<<

Hmmm My sister's ex does this all the time LOL...just kidding...

Re: the mysteries of expressive language

> Wow!! That really is amazing. I know it's called the " spectrum " now

because of the wide range of severity but it never really dawned on me that

each facet of autism can vary from child to child too. It really is

incredible. Thanks for making me think this morning - LOL.

>

?To tell you the truth, every time I got a report back saying " higher

expressive language " , I just thought, " that's IMPOSSIBLE. Can't happen. " I

thought the testers were crazy! I mean, how can a person SAY more than they

UNDERSTAND?

Well, now I know it's possible. Don't I feel the fool! LOL.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> >>Well, you guys probably get sick of me talking about Donna

<<

>

> Who is she? Where can I read about her?

Donna is a woman from Australia who was diagnosed with

autism as an adult by a psychologist who read her " memoirs " ---a

highly detailed, gut-wrenching account of her childhood/young adult

years that she organized, not to sell, but to try to make sense of

her life. It was published ( " Nobody Nowhere " ), became a best seller,

and tossed her into the forefront as a voice for people with autism.

Her accounts are quite different from those of Temple Grandin, who

grew up with autism as a diagnosis, and apparently doesn't have

sensory processing differences to the degree that Ms.

describes.

She has since written many books, her latest being " Exposure Anxiety:

The Invisible Cage " , which is an amazing account of the psychological

impact of sensory overload and information processing dysfunction.

One of my favorite reads, because her descriptions of things seems to

be very similar to what I believe experiences...I always have

these " AHA " moments reading her stuff.

Raena

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Raena. I will check her out.

Maggie

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[Guest guest]

I'm sure we all take it for granted our kids know the meaning of the words

they use or we think they hear every day. Nope, not a chance. I've been

learning this from questions asks me about words being used!

Sue

[Guest guest]

Ahhhh yes! This is Greggory also.

Jacquie H

the mysteries of expressive language

Every since he learned to speak, has been the opposite of most kids on

the list -- his expressive speech has been more developed than his receptive.

I've never really understood how that could be possible until this morning.

He was lying in bed with me, reading me a book. I had to get up and go to the

bathroom. When I came back, I fussed around, opening windows and checking the

clock.

" Lay down, " he said. " Have your morning slumber and I will read you a story. "

" My morning slumber, " I said, dreamily. " What a lovely phrase, . Morning

slumber. "

" Yeah, " he said. " What does 'slumber' mean, anyway? "

How can he use it perfectly and not know what it means? Well, now at least I

understand higher expressive language...

This whole autism gig never ceases to amaze me.

Jacquie