Re: Help accidentally took a dose 1 hour early

[Guest guest]

Hi is,

Sorry this didn't get posted sooner, and I don't know if we're too late to help?

If a round gets messed up, it is usually best just to quit or end it. If you

took your correct dosage one hour early and realized it, then you should be able

to continue the round, as long as you bump up the time of the rest of your

doses. But, I'm not sure that's what happened from what you said below.

And I guess I'm a little confused, we're you trying to do a round of ALA only,

and you took DMSA one time, and then ALA the next time, and at the wrong times?

You should not switch between chelators during a round, like taking DMSA one

time and then ALA the next. It has to be the same chelator each time, to keep

a steady level of that particular chelator in your bloodstream. So if this is

what happened, that you took DMSA when you meant to take only ALA, then I would

have ended the round, because you are switching chelators, which you shouldn't

do.

Sorry, clear as mud, right

So how are you doing now, and did you continue the round?

Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation is wrote:

Hello

My phone went off and i thought it was my alarm. I didnt look at it i

just took some ALA (switching to this whilst my cold gets better).

So this is how my schedule stands

19:45 took DMSA

20:00 realised that i should be on ALA when on a cold so decided to

switch for next round.

21:40 took ALA as i thought my alarm went off (it was a missed call).

What should i do next? I feel fine except slight tingling in my face

(which could be an ear wax build up).

is

[Guest guest]

Hi is,

You might want to check this message:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53040.html

Best regards,

>

> Hello

>

> My phone went off and i thought it was my alarm. I didnt look at it i

> just took some ALA (switching to this whilst my cold gets better).

>

> So this is how my schedule stands

>

> 19:45 took DMSA

>

> 20:00 realised that i should be on ALA when on a cold so decided to

> switch for next round.

>

> 21:40 took ALA as i thought my alarm went off (it was a missed call).

>

> What should i do next? I feel fine except slight tingling in my face

> (which could be an ear wax build up).

>

> is

>

[Guest guest]

is. Are you confusing the meaning of the term " round " ? For us,

" round " means a period of days when we are taking a particular (single)

chelator every 3 or 4 hours. So, one round on DMSA might typically last

3 days, for example.

So, that is the first point. Don't change chelators mid round.

Now, if you do happen to miss a dose or take it at the wrong time, you

can continue if the timing is +/- 1 hour. If you are off more than

that, then quit that round, and restart in a few days.

Dave.

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Posted by: " is " alexis.atrekkie22@...

Thu May 1, 2008 8:05 pm (PDT)

Hello

My phone went off and i thought it was my alarm. I didnt look at it i

just took some ALA (switching to this whilst my cold gets better).

So this is how my schedule stands

19:45 took DMSA

20:00 realised that i should be on ALA when on a cold so decided to

switch for next round.

21:40 took ALA as i thought my alarm went off (it was a missed call).

What should i do next? I feel fine except slight tingling in my face

(which could be an ear wax build up).

is

[Guest guest]

Hello

2008/5/2 Jackie :

> Hi is,

>

> Sorry this didn't get posted sooner, and I don't know if we're too late to

help? If a round gets messed up, it is usually best just to quit or end it. If

you took your correct dosage one hour early and realized it, then you should be

able to continue the round, as long as you bump up the time of the rest of your

doses. But, I'm not sure that's what happened from what you said below.

* i took the correct dosage early.

>

> And I guess I'm a little confused, we're you trying to do a round of ALA

only, and you took DMSA one time, and then ALA the next time, and at the wrong

times?

* No i was on DMSA then read a post about not taking when you have a

cold. When i took the next dose an hour early it was ALA.

You should not switch between chelators during a round, like taking

DMSA one time and then ALA the next. It has to be the same chelator

each time, to keep a steady level of that particular chelator in your

bloodstream. So if this is what happened, that you took DMSA when you

meant to take only ALA, then I would have ended the round, because you

are switching chelators, which you shouldn't do.

* oh dear, i had read somewhere that you could do this with DMSA on

day 2? That you can switch to another chelator during the round?

>

> Sorry, clear as mud, right

>

> So how are you doing now, and did you continue the round?

* im ok, the slight headache went and the cold is almost gone. im

really warm despite not taken my ginger/ginkgo yet. im just not very

hungry so i must remember to suck Zinc lozenges later so i can eat.

Despite having a very late night (4am) then getting up at 11am im ok.

Thanks for your input. i had only taken 2 doses of DMSA when i

realised that i wasnt supposed to be on it. im going to do 3 rounds of

ALA then 1 round of DMSA from now on. What a shame ive just ordered

DMSA and not ALA! Never mind will get some soon.

Whats strange about all this is that ive gone from 12.5mg ALA (1st

abandoned round in march) to 100mg last night without any side effects

apart from feeling warmer.

>

> Jackie

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is

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation is wrote:

Hello

2008/5/2 Jackie :

> Hi is,

>

> Sorry this didn't get posted sooner, and I don't know if we're too late to

help? If a round gets messed up, it is usually best just to quit or end it. If

you took your correct dosage one hour early and realized it, then you should be

able to continue the round, as long as you bump up the time of the rest of your

doses. But, I'm not sure that's what happened from what you said below.

* i took the correct dosage early.

-----------That's ok, and found a link to a message by Andy that

explains this really well. It's always ok to take your dose early, but then you

need to bump up the time of your next doses too. For DMSA and ALA, it should

never be more than 3-4 hours between doses. Or you should never take a dose

more than 1 hour late. If it's over an hour, then end the round.---------Jackie

>

> And I guess I'm a little confused, we're you trying to do a round of ALA

only, and you took DMSA one time, and then ALA the next time, and at the wrong

times?

* No i was on DMSA then read a post about not taking when you have a

cold. When i took the next dose an hour early it was ALA.

-----------I guess I would like to see that post. Where they talking about

DMSA lowering neutrophils, and that's why they were saying not to take it with a

cold? In general, if you're sick, you shouldn't be chelating at all, even with

ALA. We usually recommend waiting until you feel better, and then start a

round.-----Jackie

You should not switch between chelators during a round, like taking

DMSA one time and then ALA the next. It has to be the same chelator

each time, to keep a steady level of that particular chelator in your

bloodstream. So if this is what happened, that you took DMSA when you

meant to take only ALA, then I would have ended the round, because you

are switching chelators, which you shouldn't do.

* oh dear, i had read somewhere that you could do this with DMSA on

day 2? That you can switch to another chelator during the round?

------------No. You should never switch chelators during a round. Here's

where I think the confusion may be coming from. When people are using DMSA and

ALA *together*, some of them stop taking the ALA sooner, and finish the round

with DMSA only, because this can help lower side effects. They don't switch off

between the chelators, they just stop taking the ALA before the DMSA.-----Jackie

---------Anybody, let me know if this needs more clarification. This is

important to understand, and I want to make sure everyone understands this, and

whether I need to explain it better.---------Jackie

>

> Sorry, clear as mud, right

>

> So how are you doing now, and did you continue the round?

* im ok, the slight headache went and the cold is almost gone. im

really warm despite not taken my ginger/ginkgo yet. im just not very

hungry so i must remember to suck Zinc lozenges later so i can eat.

Despite having a very late night (4am) then getting up at 11am im ok.

---------I'm glad you're feeling ok, but please don't switch chelators during

a round again, ok?----------Jackie

Thanks for your input. i had only taken 2 doses of DMSA when i

realised that i wasnt supposed to be on it. im going to do 3 rounds of

ALA then 1 round of DMSA from now on. What a shame ive just ordered

DMSA and not ALA! Never mind will get some soon.

------------Do you have lead besides mercury? If you do, then yes it would be

wise to do a round of DMSA like once a month. Otherwise, Andy says if you do

fine on ALA alone, then that is all you need to use for mercury.---------Jackie

Whats strange about all this is that ive gone from 12.5mg ALA (1st

abandoned round in march) to 100mg last night without any side effects

apart from feeling warmer.

------------Did you go straight from 12.5mg to 100mg? Or did you ramp up in

between there? That still is a very large increase in a short amount of time,

and I don't recommend that for most people. Please be careful about ramping up

too fast. That has caused problems for many people in the past.

Are you still on this round? Watch for side effects when you do end it. That

might be when this big dose will hit you. And remember, Andy recommends

starting between 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound of body weight, and he says to not go

over 1mg per pound in total. So not sure what you weigh, but keep those

guidelines in mind when taking your chelators.

And I don't remember, have you had a hair test and do you meet the counting

rules? Tolerating that much ALA makes me wonder about how toxic you are. It

always amazes me when someone says they take 100mg, because only 6mg knocked me

on my butt! So maybe you're not all that toxic (good for you!), and that's why

you can handle larger doses of ALA.---------Jackie

>

> Jackie

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is

[Guest guest]

Hello

2008/5/2 Jackie :

(snip)

>

> * i took the correct dosage early.

>

> -----------That's ok, and found a link to a message by Andy that

explains this really well. It's always ok to take your dose early, but then you

need to bump up the time of your next doses too. For DMSA and ALA, it should

never be more than 3-4 hours between doses. Or you should never take a dose

more than 1 hour late. If it's over an hour, then end the round.---------Jackie

**Ok thanks

> >

> > And I guess I'm a little confused, we're you trying to do a round of ALA

only, and you took DMSA one time, and then ALA the next time, and at the wrong

times?

>

> * No i was on DMSA then read a post about not taking when you have a

> cold. When i took the next dose an hour early it was ALA.

>

> -----------I guess I would like to see that post. Where they talking about

DMSA lowering neutrophils, and that's why they were saying not to take it with a

cold? In general, if you're sick, you shouldn't be chelating at all, even with

ALA. We usually recommend waiting until you feel better, and then start a

round.-----Jackie

** The problem is ive had a stomach virus twice then a cold twice. Ive

been ill over 1.5 months and felt some chelation would help (if the

metals were causing a depleted immune system).

(snip)

>

> * oh dear, i had read somewhere that you could do this with DMSA on

> day 2? That you can switch to another chelator during the round?

>

> ------------No. You should never switch chelators during a round. Here's

where I think the confusion may be coming from. When people are using DMSA and

ALA *together*, some of them stop taking the ALA sooner, and finish the round

with DMSA only, because this can help lower side effects. They don't switch off

between the chelators, they just stop taking the ALA before the DMSA.-----Jackie

**Ah ok that makes sense now i understand.

>

> ---------Anybody, let me know if this needs more clarification. This is

important to understand, and I want to make sure everyone understands this, and

whether I need to explain it better.---------Jackie

>

**i can understand it the way it is but not sure about others.

(snip)

>

> * im ok, the slight headache went and the cold is almost gone. im

> really warm despite not taken my ginger/ginkgo yet. im just not very

> hungry so i must remember to suck Zinc lozenges later so i can eat.

> Despite having a very late night (4am) then getting up at 11am im ok.

>

> ---------I'm glad you're feeling ok, but please don't switch chelators

during a round again, ok?----------Jackie

** ok i understand now, i will use ALA if i have a cold (antioxidants

are meant to help colds anyway) and DMSA if im my usual self.

>

> Thanks for your input. i had only taken 2 doses of DMSA when i

> realised that i wasnt supposed to be on it. im going to do 3 rounds of

> ALA then 1 round of DMSA from now on. What a shame ive just ordered

> DMSA and not ALA! Never mind will get some soon.

>

> ------------Do you have lead besides mercury? If you do, then yes it would

be wise to do a round of DMSA like once a month. Otherwise, Andy says if you do

fine on ALA alone, then that is all you need to use for mercury.---------Jackie

** ive just ordered a big bath of DMSA. i wish i hadnt been so hasty

now. i plan to do as you suggest, have one month DMSA only and the

rest of the rounds for that month ALA.

>

> Whats strange about all this is that ive gone from 12.5mg ALA (1st

> abandoned round in march) to 100mg last night without any side effects

> apart from feeling warmer.

>

> ------------Did you go straight from 12.5mg to 100mg? Or did you ramp up in

between there? That still is a very large increase in a short amount of time,

and I don't recommend that for most people. Please be careful about ramping up

too fast. That has caused problems for many people in the past.

** There was a long break of 3 months between upping from 12.5mg

(could have been 20mg) to 100mg. i wont do a high increase again as

its dangerous thanks again.

>

> Are you still on this round? Watch for side effects when you do end it.

That might be when this big dose will hit you. And remember, Andy recommends

starting between 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound of body weight, and he says to not go

over 1mg per pound in total. So not sure what you weigh, but keep those

guidelines in mind when taking your chelators.

** i weigh about 13-13.5 stone but im not sure what weight that is in

lb? Im fortunate that ive got a bank holiday weekend now. i will end

the round tommorrow then spend Monday recovering with the snooker on

tv!

>

> And I don't remember, have you had a hair test and do you meet the counting

rules?

**Havent had a hair test, cannot afford a DAN! doctor yet. Im looking

for that one in Newton Abbott UK. i will have a hair test then if i

need one. i had the opportunity to have a hair test but my carer (i

wasnt living independently) refused to send it off as she thought i

had hair from the wrong part of my head. Does that matter? where the

hair is taken from? Obviously it should be from the head but a

hairdresser who knew about hair tests took some for me. i got so

confused i decided not to try again until i was supervised.

Tolerating that much ALA makes me wonder about how toxic you are.

**Im autistic if that helps. i have sensory issues and fibromyaliga as

well as dyslexia. The sensory issues and the dyslexia are improving

with chelation.

It always amazes me when someone says they take 100mg, because only

6mg knocked me on my butt! So maybe you're not all that toxic (good

for you!), and that's why you can handle larger doses of

ALA.---------Jackie

**Alternatively it could be my metabolism thats causing the ALA to be

tolerated better in me. i generally need higher doses of medicines to

help me with things.

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is

[Guest guest]

=======My new responses start with this-------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation is wrote:

Hello

2008/5/2 Jackie :

(snip)

>

> > And I guess I'm a little confused, we're you trying to do a round of ALA

only, and you took DMSA one time, and then ALA the next time, and at the wrong

times?

>

> * No i was on DMSA then read a post about not taking when you have a

> cold. When i took the next dose an hour early it was ALA.

>

> -----------I guess I would like to see that post. Where they talking about

DMSA lowering neutrophils, and that's why they were saying not to take it with a

cold? In general, if you're sick, you shouldn't be chelating at all, even with

ALA. We usually recommend waiting until you feel better, and then start a

round.-----Jackie

** The problem is ive had a stomach virus twice then a cold twice. Ive

been ill over 1.5 months and felt some chelation would help (if the

metals were causing a depleted immune system).

=======In general, if you're sick, we recommend waiting till you feel better,

before chelating. But if it's a mild or lingering cold, then you have to decide

for yourself if you think you can chelate. And getting sick often can be a sign

of adrenal insufficiency.---------Jackie

(snip)

>

> Whats strange about all this is that ive gone from 12.5mg ALA (1st

> abandoned round in march) to 100mg last night without any side effects

> apart from feeling warmer.

>

> ------------Did you go straight from 12.5mg to 100mg? Or did you ramp up in

between there? That still is a very large increase in a short amount of time,

and I don't recommend that for most people. Please be careful about ramping up

too fast. That has caused problems for many people in the past.

** There was a long break of 3 months between upping from 12.5mg

(could have been 20mg) to 100mg. i wont do a high increase again as

its dangerous thanks again.

=======When doing dosage increases, Andy recommends only increasing by 50%,

and we usually recommend staying at a dosage increase for at least a few rounds,

before increasing again. So I'm concerned that you are ramping up too fast, and

we don't want you to hurt yourself, so please be careful.-------Jackie

>

> Are you still on this round? Watch for side effects when you do end it. That

might be when this big dose will hit you. And remember, Andy recommends starting

between 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound of body weight, and he says to not go over 1mg

per pound in total. So not sure what you weigh, but keep those guidelines in

mind when taking your chelators.

** i weigh about 13-13.5 stone but im not sure what weight that is in

lb?

=======I found a conversion link for you, maybe you'll want to save it.

http://www.metric-conversions.org/weight/stones-to-pounds.htm

Looks like 13 stones would be 182 lb, and 13.5 would be 189 lb. So 100mg of

ALA is getting on the higher end for you, that is more than 1/2 mg per pound for

you, so I certainly wouldn't go any higher than that. And depending on side

effects, you might want to lower it.---------Jackie

Im fortunate that ive got a bank holiday weekend now. i will end

the round tommorrow then spend Monday recovering with the snooker on

tv!

=======So how are you feeling today, after ending the round?--------Jackie

>

> And I don't remember, have you had a hair test and do you meet the counting

rules?

**Havent had a hair test, cannot afford a DAN! doctor yet. Im looking

for that one in Newton Abbott UK. i will have a hair test then if i

need one. i had the opportunity to have a hair test but my carer (i

wasnt living independently) refused to send it off as she thought i

had hair from the wrong part of my head. Does that matter? where the

hair is taken from? Obviously it should be from the head but a

hairdresser who knew about hair tests took some for me. i got so

confused i decided not to try again until i was supervised.

========You don't need a doctor to order a hair test. You can get one from

Direct Labs yourself. It includes instructions about how to cut the hair

sample, and they say to take it from the back of the head. recently

posted a link to Doctor's Data, showing the instructions.---------Jackie

Tolerating that much ALA makes me wonder about how toxic you are.

**Im autistic if that helps. i have sensory issues and fibromyaliga as

well as dyslexia. The sensory issues and the dyslexia are improving

with chelation.

=========I am glad to hear you are having improvements, and yes a reaction to

chelation is proof of toxicity. But it would be interesting to see a hair test

for you to see if you have any other metals too.--------Jackie

It always amazes me when someone says they take 100mg, because only

6mg knocked me on my butt! So maybe you're not all that toxic (good

for you!), and that's why you can handle larger doses of

ALA.---------Jackie

**Alternatively it could be my metabolism thats causing the ALA to be

tolerated better in me. i generally need higher doses of medicines to

help me with things.

=========Yes, that could be also. Everyone is different. And I think in my

case, that me having high arsenic besides mercury, affects me differently, and

what I can take.----------Jackie

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is