Re: Started chelation -- have some questions

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> Hi Dana,

>

> Progesterone cream falsely elevates salivary progesterone, and you may have

> been dosing properly, and thus stopped this prematurely.

> You might want to reconsider this move.

> Thanks,

> DeanSA

>

Hi Dean, the guys at the lab disagree with you.

[Guest guest]

Dean, I would email or call Rhodes at Diagnos-Techs. He monitors progesterone

levels for

people who are on progesterone all the time. So does Pat.

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In frequent-dose-chelation Dana Black wrote:

Hi all-

I've been lurking for a couple of months and finally got all the amalgam out

(had a couple of crowns that ended up having amalgam under them). I'm

working with and just started DMPS 20 mg every 8 hours.

Existing symptoms have worsened somewhat since starting DMPS.

-----------The dose may be too high for you, or maybe you need more frequent

dosing. She also started me on 20mg DMPS/8 hours, but it felt like too much, so

I think I split them in half and did some chelation at 10mg every 6 hours. Then

I asked to do 15mg/6 hours, and that worked well for me. It's the same total

amount of chelator in 24 hours (60mg), but I tolerated this much better than

20mg/8 hours.--------Jackie

Quick history:

Age 63

-- " Mouth full " of amalgams taken out in 1997 using dam and had removal in

proper order according to charge but no other precautions. Didn't feel any

different afterwards (actually the dentist back then left one tiny filling

that was removed last year by my regular dentist using no precautions).

-- Chronic fatigue symptoms started in late 1980s after several broken

amalgams replaces with more of the same.

----------I went downhill after replacing old amalgams with new ones in the

80's also. That's after they started using the high-copper amalgams, which are

supposed to release the mercury much faster than the old ones.-------Jackie

-- Have had some low thyroid and low adrenal symptoms since early childhood

(in retrospect).

-- Taking some HC and a little Armour thyroid. Just realized (from

stopthethyroidmaddness.com) that perhaps I should have increased Armour

instead of staying at ½ grain for 2 months. Symptoms haven't changed. Temps

still instable - range from 96.6 to 97.7 am and never do get to 98.6 during the

day.

----------Are you working with on thyroid? I'm just curious if she

chose Armour for you, because I thought she likes the T3 protocol. Just

curious.----------Jackie

My main question relates to adrenal support. had me do a

hydrocortisone push (1 week at 80 mg taken all at once with breakfast, 1

week at 50 mg, 1 week at 20 mg). I felt the best at 50 mg taken at one time

and haven't found an ongoing dose that has worked as well. At 50 mg I lost

all food cravings, had a little more energy, lost weight without effort, had

a LOT more motivation. Taking doses 4 times per day hasn't done much,

although I sleep much better with 5 mg at bedtime. I'm not asking for

" medical advice, " but does anyone have any thoughts about the better

response taking a fairly high dose all at once?

----------I felt pretty good during my taper also, but not as high as yours.

I think the theory is that the tapers help to *clear out* built up stress? And

I agree, I haven't noticed a huge difference in spreading out the dosing or

taking it all at once. I know that goes against what others like Jefferies

advises. It may be sort of an individual thing.---------Jackie

I might also add that my Canary Club (DiagnosTechs) saliva test showed my

cortisol levels to be above normal in the AM and normal the rest of the day and

evening.

---------Was this before taking any kind of adrenal support? What stage of

adrenal fatigue did this put you in? It sounds like you're in the earlier

stages, when cortisol is still high from stress.----------Jackie

DHEA was 1 (very low)

----------Does have you supplementing this?----------Jackie

and estradiol and progesterone were off the charts high (I've since mostly

discontinued creams (still use a tiny bit of progesterone cream once in a while)

with little to no change in symptoms).

------------What did say about this? I think it takes time before the

effects of stopping the creams will be noticed. If you haven't already, I would

suggest getting/reading Dr. Lee's hormone books, so you understand all of

this better yourself. Should be links in links section, and Andy now sells them

at his website.-----------Jackie

Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. I'm going to pose the

question to one of the thyroid/adrenal groups too. Thanks so much.

Dana

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chelation Dana Black wrote:

Hi all-

I've been lurking for a couple of months and finally got all the amalgam out

(had a couple of crowns that ended up having amalgam under them). I'm

working with and just started DMPS 20 mg every 8 hours.

Existing symptoms have worsened somewhat since starting DMPS.

-----------The dose may be too high for you, or maybe you need more frequent

dosing. She also started me on 20mg DMPS/8 hours, but it felt like too much,

so I think I split them in half and did some chelation at 10mg every 6

hours. Then I asked to do 15mg/6 hours, and that worked well for me. It's

the same total amount of chelator in 24 hours (60mg), but I tolerated this

much better than 20mg/8 hours.--------Jackie

*** Hi Jackie -- She suggested smaller more frequent dosing so I’ll pursue

that. I guess I have to split the compounded caps until I use these up. She

also said it was up to me whether I wanted to chelate continuously or one

week on one week off, depending on how my symptoms were. I’ve opted for the

one on one off option – am feeling much better today – my first day off

after the first week. *** Dana

Quick history:

Age 63

-- " Mouth full " of amalgams taken out in 1997 using dam and had removal in

proper order according to charge but no other precautions. Didn't feel any

different afterwards (actually the dentist back then left one tiny filling

that was removed last year by my regular dentist using no precautions).

-- Chronic fatigue symptoms started in late 1980s after several broken

amalgams replaces with more of the same.

----------I went downhill after replacing old amalgams with new ones in the

80's also. That's after they started using the high-copper amalgams, which

are supposed to release the mercury much faster than the old

ones.-------Jackie

*** Yikes! Just what we needed. I’m surprised my copper levels always show

up low. *** Dana

-- Have had some low thyroid and low adrenal symptoms since early childhood

(in retrospect).

-- Taking some HC and a little Armour thyroid. Just realized (from

stopthethyroidmaddness.com) that perhaps I should have increased Armour

instead of staying at ½ grain for 2 months. Symptoms haven't changed. Temps

still instable - range from 96.6 to 97.7 am and never do get to 98.6 during

the day.

----------Are you working with on thyroid? I'm just curious if she

chose Armour for you, because I thought she likes the T3 protocol.

Just curious.----------Jackie

*** I’m working with her on thyroid. She suggested trying ½ grain Armour

first. From what I’ve read that’s a very small dose. I increased to ½ grain

twice per day and started taking it sublingually (per suggestions at

NTH-Adrenal group), all of which has gotten my temps up and more stable in

the last 4 days. Daytime temps are still below normal but basal is pretty

close and stable so far. I thought HC was supposed to stabilize temps – oh

well, whatever works. suggested I might try , but I’d rather

stay with Armour for a while, since I seem to be improving. *** Dana

My main question relates to adrenal support. had me do a

hydrocortisone push (1 week at 80 mg taken all at once with breakfast, 1

week at 50 mg, 1 week at 20 mg). I felt the best at 50 mg taken at one time

and haven't found an ongoing dose that has worked as well. At 50 mg I lost

all food cravings, had a little more energy, lost weight without effort, had

a LOT more motivation. Taking doses 4 times per day hasn't done much,

although I sleep much better with 5 mg at bedtime. I'm not asking for

" medical advice, " but does anyone have any thoughts about the better

response taking a fairly high dose all at once?

----------I felt pretty good during my taper also, but not as high as yours.

I think the theory is that the tapers help to *clear out* built up stress?

And I agree, I haven't noticed a huge difference in spreading out the dosing

or taking it all at once. I know that goes against what others like

Jefferies advises. It may be sort of an individual thing.---------Jackie

*** I took 20 mg in the AM today and have felt reasonably well today until

around an hour ago when I started having symptoms of leg weakness again.

I’ll take another 5 before bed, which helps me sleep. I’m still puzzled as

to why I feel better supplementing HC even though my test looked like I have

plenty. *** Dana

I might also add that my Canary Club (DiagnosTechs) saliva test showed my

cortisol levels to be above normal in the AM and normal the rest of the day

and evening.

---------Was this before taking any kind of adrenal support? What stage of

adrenal fatigue did this put you in? It sounds like you're in the earlier

stages, when cortisol is still high from stress.----------Jackie

*** Yes it was before any adrenal support. When I had a DiagnosTechs saliva

test about 10 years ago, my cortisol was skating on the very bottom of

normal, but DHEA was at 1 back then too. I’m not sure why cortisol is

uniformly higher now. May be the supplementation or maybe less stress

lately. Hard to say. I’ve actually taken a little HC off and on for the past

year but hadn’t been doing any when I did the saliva test in June. *** Dana

DHEA was 1 (very low)

----------Does have you supplementing this?----------Jackie

*** Yes. I’m taking 20 mg in the AM. Hadn’t been when I took the test, but

about 6 months prior and for a few years before I had been taking it. ***

Dana

and estradiol and progesterone were off the charts high (I've since mostly

discontinued creams (still use a tiny bit of progesterone cream once in a

while) with little to no change in symptoms).

------------What did say about this? I think it takes time before the

effects of stopping the creams will be noticed. If you haven't already, I

would suggest getting/reading Dr. Lee's hormone books, so you

understand all of this better yourself. Should be links in links section,

and Andy now sells them at his website.-----------Jackie

*** She didn’t actually tell me to stop them. I did on my own. She suggested

I might want to use a little progesterone, but I haven’t used very much. I

think I’ll test first then decide. After being off them (P and E) for almost

3 months, I still don’t feel much different. The test will be interesting.

Thanks Jackie for all your input. *** Dana

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