Re: Thyroid Glandular + Adrenal Cortex Extract (ACE)

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> Virtually all my symptoms and problems with my health have gone

now

> too. No more chronic pain, much more energy, brain seems to be

> working pretty well too and I have even restarted my daily yoga

> workouts, which has been further accelerating my recovery,

rebuilding

> and strengthening me.

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Great post. Thank you. I just got off the phone with the endo's

office and they want $375 for an office visit. Even tho I have a ppo

there is a $250 deductible plus the ins will only pay 70% of what is

reasonable. I'm sure they are not going to consider $375 reasonable.

I am fed up paying a fortune to doctors that don't help me. I am

sending in my canary hormone kit today. Since most doctors laugh at

alternative treatment and just want to push their drugs, what is the

point of seeing them? And all the alternative docs around here

don't take insurance and charge a small fortune basically telling

stuff I can find out for free in a book or on the net. I can do the

canary tests for monitoring my progress and use a good ol'

thermometer as well. I've done alot of research on all this, have

bought the books, etc.. what is the harm in trying to fix things

myself?

Anybody else do this on their own?

Val

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> I've done alot of research on all this, have

> bought the books, etc.. what is the harm in trying to fix things

> myself?

>

> Anybody else do this on their own?

>

> Val

I basically did this myself. Dr Peatfield put me straight on one

thing about gradually increasing the Ace dose and held my hand when

nothing much happened initially, (he told me to be patient!) but I

made all the research myself, reading his and many other adrenal and

thyroid books until I was happy with the treatment I decided on. His

book is very good and I recommended it " The Great Thyroid Scandal and

How To Survive It " but i needed to read plenty of books before i

understand this stuff.

I did all the standard tests. The only one of any value (for me) was

the saliva cortisol test which told me my cortisol was low low

low….which just confirmed this was something I needed to dedicate a

lot of time too. All the rest where a waste of money and told me

nothing. The most useful thing I did was taking my morning basel

temperature daily, which I have been doing for 12 months now, whihc

costs nothing. It is a road map of my metabolic health clearly

visible to me every day. Each supplement I added I could see the

direct results in my temperature graph. They first stabilised then

recently started rising. I sometimes ran out of supplements and I

could see my temps falling and becoming more unstable as the effects

of not taking that supplement had immediate consequences. when i

chelate it used to directly effect my adrenals....now when i chelate

the temps remain steady and is clear visable on the graph.

I must say I found this a very difficult subject to get my head

around, I have no medical background, I needed to read a lot of books

before I " got it " ……….but if I can do it, if I can " get it " …..so can

everyone else because I was just as ill last year as everyone else

was/is.

Education is key.

Sunshine

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>

>

> I basically did this myself. Dr Peatfield put me straight on one

> thing about gradually increasing the Ace dose and held my hand when

> nothing much happened initially, (he told me to be patient!) but I

> made all the research myself, reading his and many other adrenal and

> thyroid books until I was happy with the treatment I decided on. His

> book is very good and I recommended it " The Great Thyroid Scandal and

> How To Survive It " but i needed to read plenty of books before i

> understand this stuff.

>

>

I put this book in the links section, in the adrenal and thyroid

information file.

Sunshine, if I understand correctly, you have been able to improve

your adrenal and thyroid function with glandulars and otc supplements

alone, without any Rx hormone support, and before you doing a

significant amount of chelation? This is very interesting to me, and

probably to many other members. Do you mind listing the supplements

that you have used and doses? or summarize what you have done? or am

I just not getting how easy it is/was?

I suppose that there would be people who would not be able to

stabilize with glandulars alone and would need replacement hormones

(did Dr. Peatfield say anything like that to you?)

Thanks.

J

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> >

> > Education is key.

> =============

>

> Sunshine (love the name)

>

> Thank you so much for this hopeful post. It is an overwhelming

> task to understand it all. I've grown so frustrated and

mistrustful

> of doctors - I trust fellow sufferers on the internet now much more

> than the docs.

-----Me too. The day i understood that the doctors where hindering

me, not helping me, was the first day i took back control of my

health for myself.

> How long were you working on adrenals before you started

chelation

> or were you doing both at the same time?

>

> Val

-----I did chelation and adrenals at the same time.

Sunshine

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> >

> >

> > I basically did this myself. Dr Peatfield put me straight on one

> > thing about gradually increasing the Ace dose and held my hand

when

> > nothing much happened initially, (he told me to be patient!) but

I

> > made all the research myself, reading his and many other adrenal

and

> > thyroid books until I was happy with the treatment I decided on.

His

> > book is very good and I recommended it " The Great Thyroid Scandal

and

> > How To Survive It " but i needed to read plenty of books before i

> > understand this stuff.

> >

> >

>

> I put this book in the links section, in the adrenal and thyroid

> information file.

>

> Sunshine, if I understand correctly, you have been able to improve

> your adrenal and thyroid function with glandulars and otc

supplements

> alone, without any Rx hormone support, and before you doing a

> significant amount of chelation? This is very interesting to me,

and

> probably to many other members.

-----------------Correct – I have not used any Rx hormone products

whatsoever. I have been amalgam free 10 months and I started

chelation 7 days after amalgam free and I have done 20 rounds of 3

days each. I am at 5mg dmsa every 2.5 hours in the day and 3 hours at

night. All this adrenal and thyroid work has been going on at the

same time as chelation. I did no adrenal or thyroid support prior to

starting chelation.

> Do you mind listing the supplements

> that you have used and doses?

I have dropped about 10 others supplements that I no longer

need/benefit from. My current supplement program is as follows:

COQ10 - 150mg

Molybdenum 1000ug

Vit B12 – 50ug

Vit C – 2grams

Vit B5 – 2000 mgs

Kelp – 6 caps

1 pinch at each breakfast + dinner – Epsom salt (this is instead of

magnesium citrate)

Calcium 800mg (in the form of seaweed)

Betaine & pepsin 960mg + 20 mg

1 x Multi Vit B

Taurin 2000mg

Zinc – 30mg per day

Niacaminde (Vit D3) 2000mg

ACE 1000mg (Bovine adrenal cortex extract)

Thyroid Glandular(Nutri thyroid) 6 caps - 780mg

Coconut oil. – a fingers dap

Himalayan rock salt – 1 or 2 teaspoons per day.

> or summarize what you have done?

--------------Summarise what I have done? phew! its been full on! I

can confirm I am a health freak;-)

Amalgam removal

3 x 30 days herbal parasite cleanse

3 x 30 days herbal bowel cleanse

3 x 20 days herbal kidney cleanse

1 x 14 days herbal lung cleanse

1 x 14 days herbal liver cleanse

I also regularly do castor oil packs, dry skin brushing, oil massage,

salt detox baths, colonics, enemas, Epsom salt detox baths and my

diet is 90pct organic and zero processed foods and zero

pasteurised dairy. I regularly drink veg juices and often have liquid

veg juice meals and have done some veg juice fasts.

This week for example I have done 3 days juice fast and I am at day

29 of a 30 day herbal bowel cleanse.

Basically I am doing one of the above cleanses all the time and

chelation

fits in between everything. All the above cleanses are rotated in

sequence, i.e they are not all done at the same time. I try hard not

to do too many things together, but its tricky to fit everything in,

so some things do overlap. some things are compatible as they are

weak, something things are powerful and need to be done on their own.

When I over-do it, which I must admit I do sometimes…I break until I

recovered and restart…but only takes a couple of days.

> or am

> I just not getting how easy it is/was?

-----------easy? Not in the slightest bit easy…..no way was it easy.

it took lots and lots of hard work and lots and lots of reading and

educating myself. When I understand things I can easily motivate

myself to stick to the program…..how easy was it to take ACE for 4

months and for nothing to happen, but to keep on taking it and to not

take Rx medications that may have given me immediate relief……very

difficult indeed not to give up on the ACE and try something

else….but because I read so much….i knew it would take a long time as

I have probably had these problems my whole life. Cutlers high

recommendation of the glandulars also helped me because everything he

has said has been spot on for me.

I supposed you could say it was easy and all I did was take the

glandulars and the supplements…but I needed to stick with it whilst

nothing happened…that was the hard part…sticking with the program

when nothing was happening.

>

> I suppose that there would be people who would not be able to

> stabilize with glandulars alone and would need replacement hormones

> (did Dr. Peatfield say anything like that to you?)

>

> Thanks.

>

> J

--------He said he puts some people straight on HC, but that he only

does that when people are so far gone and cannot function in life

anymore….ie. to get them off the bed and into the world again. He

always starts with diet/supplements (which are the same a Cutlers

recommendations) and the glandulars and works up wards from there

--------From my reading, from the tests reports in the early 1900's,

I believe the glandulars always work….eventually. Did u know in the

beginning people had to eat raw sheep adrenal gland

sandwiches...LOL...yuck! There is a reason why Cutler recommends them

so much too....because they work. You do need to take them in high

enough doses and you need to be patient and give them time to work,

for example took me 4 months on each and I still have a way to go

until they are completely ok. But from what I understand they always

work. The early research says it does. Western medicine does not have

the patience for cheap long treatments that work and this is just

another example.

Sunshine

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Thanks for your post Sunshine. I put it in the links. It will be

right next to your recovery post, when you post it

>

>

>

> -----------easy? Not in the slightest bit easy…..no way was it easy.

> it took lots and lots of hard work and lots and lots of reading and

> educating myself. When I understand things I can easily motivate

> myself to stick to the program…..how easy was it to take ACE for 4

> months and for nothing to happen, but to keep on taking it and to not

> take Rx medications that may have given me immediate relief……very

> difficult indeed not to give up on the ACE and try something

> else….but because I read so much….i knew it would take a long time as

> I have probably had these problems my whole life. Cutlers high

> recommendation of the glandulars also helped me because everything he

> has said has been spot on for me.

>

> I supposed you could say it was easy and all I did was take the

> glandulars and the supplements…but I needed to stick with it whilst

> nothing happened…that was the hard part…sticking with the program

> when nothing was happening.

>

> >

> > I suppose that there would be people who would not be able to

> > stabilize with glandulars alone and would need replacement hormones

> > (did Dr. Peatfield say anything like that to you?)

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > J

>

> --------He said he puts some people straight on HC, but that he only

> does that when people are so far gone and cannot function in life

> anymore….ie. to get them off the bed and into the world again. He

> always starts with diet/supplements (which are the same a Cutlers

> recommendations) and the glandulars and works up wards from there

>

When I started on the Cortef I was at the point of could not function

in life. There is no doubt that the doctor made the right decision

for me. I had already used diet and supplements for some years. I

wasn't aware of glandulars at that time.

J