Re: Mercury in RBC but none in urine during chelation -DAVE

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---Hi Dave,

In frequent-dose-chelation , Dave - AM & FDC Posts

wrote:

>

> How do you know you have lead? I have just read recently that the

path for

> people who are lead poisoned (in addition to mercury) is

substantially longer

> than for those with no lead.

I don't know for certain that I have a problem with lead - just

assuming for the following reasons:

1) I'm British, lived by a main road for several years, grew up in the

time when petrol was heavy on lead.

2) Have the metallic mouth thing which I once read somewhere (vague I

know!) can cause the metallic taste.

3) Had high urine lead on my recent urine test which was collected on

round - the same test which didn't pick up any mercury. The RBC levels

or lead were normal but mercury was high.

4) Seem to be slow on the mercury chelation so perhaps lead is taking

the priority.

> You said that molybdenum has helped - I assume you did a hair test

and checked

> that your copper levels were not too high? (Is it posted with Dean?)

Yes my hair test is posted with Dean - number 71. (My Son is number

72)It was done before chelation 15 months ago.

If you could glance over it for me I would be most grateful!

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

As for copper - my recent RBC level has been high normal to high

depending on the lab (one here in Switzerland and IWDL). The IWDL test

said high normal on both serum and RBC but very high on the urine test

(during DMSA chelation). Hair test was normal (right in the middle of

the range)

I think molybdenum has been the main thing that has enabled me to

raise the DMSA doses.

>

> I see you don't have any amalgam. I'll just confirm that you don't

have an

> amalgam tatoo?

No, no amalgam tatoos.

>

> Dave.

>

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> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:53 pm (PDT)

>

> --- I am chelating primarily for mercury but I suspect I have a load

> of lead too. Others I don't know because I had deranged mineral

> transport on the hair analysis.

>

> Have been using DMSA from 6mgs and now up to 25mgs for 15 months. Had

> several months of dumping when I had to reduce the DMSA back down to

> 12.5mgs for about 6 months and have been able to increase it to 25

> without too much trouble just recently. That's the only " improvement "

> I have had.

>

> Side effects with chelation are typical - initially lots of headaches,

> shakey adrenals, metallic tast in mouth (Yes, all amalgam 100%

> removed!), tiredness, some " kidney area aching " , blurred vision and

> generally feeling yukky. I don't get those side effects so often now

> and they have improved a little since using molybdenum too. Then the

> day or two after round I feel pretty crappy. So it is definitely

> having an effect. Just no improvements from my initial state

> whatsoever. AM treating thyroid, adrenals and female hormones as well

> as possible and take all the supplements recommended.

>

> Oh and generally I feel a little better on round. Not always though.

>

>

>

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> Re: Mercury in red blood cell analysis

> Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

> Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:52 pm (PDT)

>

> --- Hi Dave

>

> I can't touch the ALA without getting severe migraine like headaches.

> I tried a really low dose of 8mgs or so (if I remember correctly - I

> was cutting tablets into 8ths!)

>

> And there is some doubt now about me trying ALA (at even smaller

> doses!!!) because after a year of DMSA I still have a lot of mercury

> floating around in my blood. It was said here that I shouldn't do ALA

> until the blood levels are reduced still further.

>

>

>

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Dave.

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Posted by: " jodi2ben " nessy@... jodi2ben

Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:37 am (PDT)

---Hi Dave,

In frequent-dose-chelation , Dave - AM & FDC Posts

wrote:

>>How do you know you have lead? I have just read recently that the

>>path for

>>people who are lead poisoned (in addition to mercury) is

>>substantially longer than for those with no lead.

>I don't know for certain that I have a problem with lead - just

assuming for the following reasons:

[...]

>Yes my hair test is posted with Dean - number 71. (My Son is number

72) It was done before chelation 15 months ago.

If you could glance over it for me I would be most grateful!

>http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/hairtest.html

See below...

>As for copper - my recent RBC level has been high normal to high

depending on the lab (one here in Switzerland and IWDL). The IWDL test

said high normal on both serum and RBC but very high on the urine test

(during DMSA chelation). Hair test was normal (right in the middle of

the range)

>I think molybdenum has been the main thing that has enabled me to

raise the DMSA doses.

[...]

>

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HAIR TESTS

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Wow! That is _one_ toxic looking test!

8 reds.

All low pattern.

11 outside of the green zone.

Tin very elevated.

Forget it, that's mercury.

Co red low ==> <<maybe>> try B12

Li red low ==> you can try lithium orotate or aspartate.

Na/K fine

K/Ca = really low

TEST Thyroid!

Na/Mg = .28, very low. ==> not enough adrenaline.

Tyrosine, Phenylalanine (red meat or supplement)

Methyl donors:

TMG (.5-2g early in day),

folic acid (.4-1.2mg, 4x/d) &

B12 (several mg/d);

NB: Too much methl donors can cause anger,

aggression and lack of motivation.

B6.

Here is the deal on B6:

B6 does not agree with everyone.

Adult: 100-250mg with meals and at bed-time (3-4x/day).

If it works, worth experimenting with amounts. If not, don't jack it up.

If > 500mg 4x/day can get tingling & numbness in hands & feet.

If happens, stop and it will cease in a few days.

Adjust for children, assuming avg adult weight 135lb.

I am not seeing any sign of lead here.

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Double Wow - that son of yours looks just like you!

1 red

All low pattern

8 outside the green zone.

Tin mildly elevated

That looks like it.

Na/K fine

K/Ca = really low

TEST his Thyroid too!

Na/Mg = .27, damn if it's not the same as yours! How 'bout that?

==> Not enough adrenaline. Do the same things as for you.

Uranium mildly elevated. You could check his ferritin levels if you want

(should be between 30 and 70). If low, don't supplement iron. instead, give

acidic form of vitamin C at meals, eat grean leafeys, and give drippings from

red meat.

I am not seeing any sign of lead here either.

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so, both of you need to test thyroid, eat some red meat, take methyl donors,

jam in as many nutrients as you can to push those all low patterns up, and try

out some B6.

Here is the list of basic supplements.

B50 or B100 once or twice /d

Buffered C, 4g/d

Mg, 100mg 4x/d and increase to 200 in a few weeks

Avoid the oxide form, it's not absorbable.

Magnesium citrate, malate, aspartate, or amino acid chelate are best.

Mg Supps is done by taking 100-200mg (adult) with each meal and possibly at

bedtime. The amount used is adjusted to the max level that is not laxative.

Ca should also be given so the ratio of Ca to Mg intake from all sources

(food & pills) is somewhere between 1:2 and 2:1.

Vit E, 400-1000IU/d

CoQ10, 75-200mg/d

Zinc, 20mg + 1mg/lb

Flax Oil, 10+g/d (1-2 tbsp) or CLO (1/2 - 1 tbsp)

Borage oil, 1+g/d (1-2 tsp)

Milk thistle, 1-2 cap/meal

Folic acid, 400-800mcg/d

Make sure any selenium is in some form like selenomethionine or selenium yeast.

AIp. 162: 50-300mcg a day total.

Try Lecithin, Choline & B12 to see how you respond.

Hope that helps!

Dave.