Re: 12mg dosage too high - allergic as you remembered

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Hi Jackie,

I did have the MELISA test and was allergic, and this

was a big factor in my decision to ease into

chelation. In addition to all the usual stuff, I had

anaphylactic attacks and gallstone formation whenever

mercury exposure or redistribution went past a certain

point. So I knew if I got chelated at too high a dose

I could end up in big trouble that would involve going

to the hospital at best or having surgery and maybe

worse. The only way to find my dose without these

dangerous side effects was to start really small and

increase really slowly.

I knew I had these problems before starting, but not

everyone will know before they begin. This board has

helped me enormously, particularly in figuring out

what to do and how to do it. So all I am doing is

echoing back what I have heard from you guys and some

of the people who have had trouble.

I suppose there are two questions here:

• If it is possible to chelate at a lower dose without

side effects, is the best approach to getting well.

• Is it safest to start at the very bottom of the

range and then gradually or quickly raise the dose

given side effects, or can 12mg be considered a safe

starting dose for adults generally.

Thanks so much to you guys for all your advice and

contributions!

Dave

--- Jackie wrote:

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> In frequent-dose-chelation

> Sherratt wrote:

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> Hi Jackie,

>

> ---------Hi Dave, thanks for sharing your personal

> experiences with us, and I'm glad to hear you are

> doing well. Do I remember right, that you are the

> one who has done the Melisa Test and also has

> mercury allergy? I can't remember what your hair

> test looked like. But I think we discussed, that

> maybe the reason you are more sensitive than some is

> because of this allergy and needed to start at

> really low doses because of this? Just trying to

> see if I remember things right.

>

> So I think you are a really good example that

> there are *lots* of variables involved in this,

> inlcuding a whole range of different levels of

> toxicity, possible allergies, and a miriad of other

> complicating health factors, that it is just

> impossible for us to know what will be a good

> starting dose for each individual. Sorry to say,

> but it just takes some experimenting to find this

> out.

>

> I will comment more below, and probably on other

> posts in this thread. I have discussed it some with

> , who is the head moderator, and she is

> probably thinking about it before she posts her

> opinion.--------Jackie

>

>

>

> From my personal experience I advocate using very

> low

> doses (lower than most people are starting with).

> I

> think it is just as effective in making you well,

> and

> maybe more so because it may be possible to avoid

> all

> side effects depending on how sick you are.

>

> ---------Yes, there is nothing wrong with going

> very low, and and I have always told people to

> lower their dose, if they are having

> trouble.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> I am very sensitive and was able to avoid almost

> all

> side effects, but I started chelation at 3mg DMSA

> only, and I weigh 165 pounds. I followed Dean's

> rule

> of waiting 4 rounds with no side effects before

> raising my dose. I waited until I had DMSA at 25mg

> with no side effects before adding ALA. I just

> added

> 3mg ALA last round, and had almost no side

> effects. I

> will only raise my ALA as side effects stay under

> control. I shoot for just enough chelator so that

> I

> feel slightly grumpy two days after a round, but

> nothing more. When the grumpy goes away I bump my

> dose.

>

> ------------It sounds like you have developed a

> very good plan of attack for yourself. Thanks for

> sharing that with us. I think it helps newbies alot

> to hear stuff like this. I agree it doesn't pay to

> push the dosages too high and feel crappy. I

> recently tried going up to 25mg of DMPS, and it was

> tolerable, but still more side effects than I cared

> to have, so I just dropped back down to 20mg, where

> I know I can chelate rather

> uneventfully.--------Jackie

>

>

>

> The side effects can creep up on you after a

> couple

> rounds and then hit so hard it takes weeks to

> recover.

> That is my experience from the one or two times I

> broke my own rules and raised dosages too fast. I

> took this approach because I have heard from way

> too

> many people on this board who seem to have taken

> dosages too far and injured themselves. Sometimes

> the

> dosages involved were the same ones which are

> recommended, such as 12mg and 25mg.

>

> ----------I agree that many people go too fast and

> harm themselves, and that was something I learned

> from TK, is that he said over and over that that was

> the biggest mistake he has seen people make, is

> trying to go too fast. And he has said that side

> effects can creep up on you after a few rounds, just

> like you're saying, so I totally agree with you

> there.

>

> And the key word in your last sentence is

> *recommended*. These are only recommendations, and

> the general recommendation to start at 12.5mg, is

> just that, a recommendation, made in general to give

> people some starting point, and probably is a

> reasonable suggestion for *most* people. Everyone

> is so different, and there are so many variables

> involved, that it is impossible for us to predict

> who will tolerate what dose. And people need to

> take some responsibility for this themselves also,

> do some research, and decide what is best for them

> personally. And sorry to say, but there just is

> some trial and error involved with this to find the

> right dose for yourself. We have all had to go

> through it.

>

> Now I had nothing to do with writing the

> recommendations, but 12.5mg is what was recommended

> to me when I joined, and luckily it was the correct

> dosage for me. I felt good at 12.5mg, and couldn't

> tolerate 25mg when I tried. I even had to do 16mg

> for awhile. Some people feel nothing at that dose

> and need to go higher, and some like you and others,

> need to go lower. Everyone is

> different.--------Jackie

>

>

>

> Over time the recommended dosages have been

> revised

> downwards - they used to be in the hundreds! From

> my

> point of view this is a sign that we may still be

> too

> high and that it is time for another downward

> revision. I think this board should advocate 3-6mg

> as

> a starting dose for a person weighing 165, and

> then

> raising doses only as " almost no symptom " status

> is

> achieved for 4 rounds.

>

> -----------Like I said, there are so many

> variables involved, we will never be able to

> recommend the perfect starting dose for everyone.

> And, is the head moderator, so any big changes

> should come from her, but I'm not sure if she would

> change TK's file or not. We'll have to wait to hear

> from her. And we have always told people to lower

> their dosage, if the side effects are too much. We

> have never told anyone to tough it out.

>

> Anyway, one idea I had was maybe we should develop

> a poll, and ask people what dosage they started on,

> and whether that was good or bad for them. What do

> you think of that idea? Might be very

> interesting.----------Jackie

>

>

>

> Just my opinion,

>

> -----------Thanks for sharing And of course,

> the above is just my opinions also, and others may

> differ.----------Jackie

>

>

>

> Dave

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