Re: Chelation and Osteoporosis

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " hope0073 " hope0073@... hope0073

Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:11 pm (PDT)

>Does chelation (ALA and DMSA) pull out calcium and other minerals as

well as mercury, lead, etc?

No.

>The reason I ask is that a recent DEXA showed I had gone from mild

osteoporosis to severe in just 2 years.

I don't know much about osteoperosis, maybe someone else here does? What does

this test measure?

>I'm 58 so it may be a product of menopause and chronic illness. But to have

such a drop in 2 years when I have been doing much more exercise,

including walking, is alarming. I have been doing chelation for 9 mo.

What do you think?

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

I don't know if you're correct about that. My doctor told me that DMSA

definitely does pull out minerals. That's why it's so important that we

supplement adequately.

Hope this helps,

-Alessa

PS I recently learned there is a big correlation between osteoporosis and celiac

disease. That could be a big reason for bone loss.

Re: Chelation and Osteoporosis

Posted by: " Dave - AM & FDC Posts " mercury@... imberkeleydave

Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

Posted by: " hope0073 " hope0073 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com hope0073

Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:11 pm (PDT)

>Does chelation (ALA and DMSA) pull out calcium and other minerals as

well as mercury, lead, etc?

No.

>The reason I ask is that a recent DEXA showed I had gone from mild

osteoporosis to severe in just 2 years.

I don't know much about osteoperosis, maybe someone else here does? What does

this test measure?

>I'm 58 so it may be a product of menopause and chronic illness. But to have

such a drop in 2 years when I have been doing much more exercise,

including walking, is alarming. I have been doing chelation for 9 mo.

What do you think?

Back to top

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Dave,

> I don't know if you're correct about that. My doctor told me that

DMSA definitely does pull out minerals.

Doctors get confused about this issue.

EDTA takes out minerals. Doctors assume that DMSA and DMPS will do

the same. They are not the same. EDTA chelates by a completely

different mechanism compared to DMSA and DMPS.

DMSA and DMPS do not take out significant quantities of minerals.

Minerals are needed as cofactors for all of the enzymes involved in

detoxification, mercury deranges mineral transport, and that is why

supplementation is needed.

Hope that helps to resolve some confusion.

That's why it's so important that we supplement adequately.

> Hope this helps,

> -Alessa

> PS I recently learned there is a big correlation between

osteoporosis and celiac disease. That could be a big reason for bone loss.

>

>

> Re: Chelation and Osteoporosis

> Posted by: " Dave - AM & FDC Posts " mercury@... imberkeleydave

> Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> Posted by: " hope0073 " hope0073 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com hope0073

> Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:11 pm (PDT)

>

> >Does chelation (ALA and DMSA) pull out calcium and other minerals as

> well as mercury, lead, etc?

>

> No.

>

> >The reason I ask is that a recent DEXA showed I had gone from mild

> osteoporosis to severe in just 2 years.

>

> I don't know much about osteoperosis, maybe someone else here does?

What does

> this test measure?

>

> >I'm 58 so it may be a product of menopause and chronic illness. But

to have

> such a drop in 2 years when I have been doing much more exercise,

> including walking, is alarming. I have been doing chelation for 9 mo.

> What do you think?

>

> Back to top

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Does chelation (ALA and DMSA) pull out calcium and other minerals

Minerals are used up during chelation because they are needed as

enzyme cofactors. High quantities of minerals are needed because the

mercury causes mineral transport derangement. The quantities of

minerals chelated by ALA, DMSA, or DMPS are not significant.

EDTA does chelate significant quantities of minerals, and that is

where the confusion seems to originate (plus most doctors don't

understand the mineral transport derangement or the need for minerals

as enzyme cofactors).

I know I'm repeating myself, but I wanted to add something below....

as

> well as mercury, lead, etc?

>The reason I ask is that a recent DEXA

> showed I had gone from mild osteoporosis to severe in just 2 years. I'm

> 58 so it may be a product of menopause and chronic illness. But to have

> such a drop in 2 years when I have been doing much more exercise,

> including walking, is alarming. I have been doing chelation for 9 mo.

> What do you think?

>

Most people are seriously deficient in vitamin D. You can have a

blood test that is the 25 (OH) vitamin D (25-hydroxy, vitamin D). The

level to shoot for is about 100 nmole/L. I suspect your levels are

way below that.

A serum calcium test should be done routinely at the same time as the

vitamin D test. Usually it will be normal, but if it is low or high

report it to the group.

Without blood testing it is safe to supplement 2000 iu vitamin D.

With blood testing people supplement in the range of 6000 iu, as long

as they are planning to keep testing until they get the levels in the

optimal range.

There are many nutrients needed to build bone back up. Vitamin K

(can't remember the dose off hand, but it is higher than what is

usually recommended), omega 3 oils (2 T per day cod liver oil), and

make bone broths daily (simmer meaty bones, vegetables, with a small

quantity of acid like vinegar, lemon juice, or tomato).

Google " Krispin Sullivan " for more on vitamin D and bone health.

Menopause may be a factor as well. I can't remember the details.

Testing hormone levels would be a start in that area, and reading Dr.

Lee's books (I can find links if you want).

J

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " Alessa " foralessa@... foralessa

Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:10 am (PDT)

>Hi Dave,

>I don't know if you're correct about that. My doctor told me that DMSA

definitely does pull out minerals. That's why it's so important that we

supplement adequately.

I do know, and your doctor is definitely wrong.

EDTA does chelate some lighter metals, in which case you have to be worried

about the issue.

>Hope this helps,

-Alessa