Re: PH has gone from 8-6.60 in three days being off rounds

[Guest guest]

sorry all...this is a long post with kinda complicated question

Thanks for your note on the PH. This is urine PH I was measuring, I

was off rounds for 3 days and my urine pH went from 8.00-7.60-7.00-

6.60 (last 3 readings were on the off days, while the 8.00 was the

morning immediately after my last round evening dosage..hope this

makes sense

so my conundrum/paradox is I had the appearance of high PH (Urine PH

was 8.00-very alkaline )on rounds and became more acidic-less

alkaline (down to 6.60) off round...

I don't mean to be a pain but I am going to post the article from

www.alkalive that talked about high alkalinity PH, potentially being

due to high acidic internal terrain. This article implies

acidification of internal environment (ie must be from chelation)

actually draws out alkalinity from tissues which would thus imply

that your tissues are left more acidic on chelation as alkalinity

is being leeched out to balance things out, which I am guessing is

not good

Have you or have you heard of anyone ever taken any alkaline related

supplements to counter this? IS alka seltzer gold higher in alkainity

or help you stay more alkaline balanced

That is I do not think the high alkaline reading that i got of 8.00

was a true indication of my alkalinity and tend to believe the

article below (that a paradoxical acidic internal environment caused

this high alkaline reading, as once I stopped chelation round, my PH

went down...no other foods/supplements were changed over these 3

days )

http://www.alkalive.net/pH_stix_paper_test_strips.htm

PER QUOTE FROM LINK on PH ABOVE 7.50- see link above

The third possibility is the most likely: the urine is alkaline but

the internal environment, paradoxically, is acidic. In this case the

alkaline pH of the urine is not due to excessive intake of alkaline

elements through diet (which the body attempts to get rid of, just as

it does with excess acids), but to disproportionate withdrawal of

alkaline substances from the organic tissues to neutralize heavy

acidification of the internal environment. It may also indicate that

the kidneys are producing ammonia in order to buffer the acids, whish

is not a good thing.

This is common among people whose metabolism has difficulty digesting

acids. Because the acids are poorly oxidized, they cannot leave the

body through the respiratory system. The kidneys must pick up the

slack and do double duty of elimination. Although these are the acids

classified as weak, their accumulation is dangerous for the body,

which will take extreme efforts to buffer itself against the

avalanche of acids confronting it. This levy results in bringing a

large quantity of alkaline elements into the urine and thus

alkalizing it.

The urine is therefore alkaline not because of a net physiological

gain in the quantity of alkaline substances, but because of a massive

loss of alkaline elements due to the body's plunder of its reserves.

This can easily be confirmed by analyzing the types of conditions a

person in this situation suffers from to see whether they are among

those caused by acidification. In this case it is extremely important

to make the internal environment less acidic despite the alkalinity

of the urine.

>

> >

> > I think the chelation must be something that makes your body more

> > acidic and react by dumping your alkalinity as my alkalinity has

>> gone down every morning for the last two days when I have been off

>> a round from 8.00 to 7.60- 7.00 this am.

> >

> > so it must mean that chelation cretes an acidic burden in our

body??

>

Per Response

> Are you talking urine pH or saliva pH? If your urine pH is going

> down, maybe it means you are starting to dump acidic wastes into

> your urine? Don't know for sure, but it's a nice thought

Per CURRENT POST

ACTUALLY I THINK THESE READINGS MEANT THAT I BECAME LESS ACIDIC (OFF

ROUND) EVEN THOUGH MY PH HAS GONE DOWN from 8.00 to 6.60,..IF THE

INFORMATION FROM THE www.ALKALIVE IS CORRECT

Per Response

> I get acidic on rounds, and also when I take certain anti-pathogen

> treatments. My body odor gets really weird (sulfury-sweet), I

> feel a little wheezy, and I get aches, especially in arms/hands.

> thinks all of this is due to excess acidity. She suggested

> alka-seltzer gold for this and it really helps a lot. I drink it

> several times per day when the symptoms are bad.

PER CURRENT POST MICHAEL

WHAT SORT OF ANTI PATHOGEN TRETAMENTS IF YOU DO NOT MIND ME ASKING? I

THOUGHT AN ACIDIC INTERNAL ENVIRONMENT WAS MORE INHOSPITABLE FOR THEE

BEASTY BUGS

per Response

> My urine pH is almost always around 7.0, so I don't even bother

> measuring it anymore, it doesn't seem to tell me anything. All

> I can say is my symptoms get better with the ASG, so I keep

> chugging the stuff.

Per THIS POST

I GUESS I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TRY THIS ALKA SELTZER GOLD

Per Response

> The other thing that tells me I am acidic is when I take an epsom

> salt bath sometimes the water starts to smell nasty, so I guess I'm

> getting bad stuff out that way, too.

Per initial post

> > I guess this is another reason for having " off round days " and

> > eatings lots of veggies during an " on rounds session " to reduce

> > acidity

>

Per Response

> Best to eat lots of veggies both on and off round! I wish I could

> eat fruit, since it is very alkalizing, but I still can't seem to

> tolerate it (feeds the bad beasts). Lemon juice works, though.

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> sorry all...this is a long post with kinda complicated question

>

> Thanks for your note on the PH. This is urine PH I was measuring, I

> was off rounds for 3 days and my urine pH went from 8.00-7.60-7.00-

> 6.60 (last 3 readings were on the off days, while the 8.00 was the

> morning immediately after my last round evening dosage..hope this

> makes sense

Yes, you're making sense, and I think I'm understanding that your

urine is alkaline on rounds.

Actually, the 8.0 reading would have been during redistribution.

Your body would be under more stress at that time. Maybe that is

why your body was dumping more alkaline stuff? Just a guess.

> so my conundrum/paradox is I had the appearance of high PH (Urine PH

> was 8.00-very alkaline )on rounds and became more acidic-less

> alkaline (down to 6.60) off round...

>

> I don't mean to be a pain but I am going to post the article from

> www.alkalive that talked about high alkalinity PH, potentially being

> due to high acidic internal terrain. This article implies

> acidification of internal environment (ie must be from chelation)

> actually draws out alkalinity from tissues which would thus imply

> that your tissues are left more acidic on chelation as alkalinity

> is being leeched out to balance things out, which I am guessing is

> not good

No, I agree this is not good. It is better to take in enough

alkaline stuff in your diet so that your body doesn't have to use

up the supply of alkaline stuff in the body (such as the minerals

in your bones).

> Have you or have you heard of anyone ever taken any alkaline related

> supplements to counter this? IS alka seltzer gold higher in alkainity

> or help you stay more alkaline balanced

The more alkaline foods are veggies and fruits, while grains and

meats are more acidic. Calcium and magnesium are alkaline minerals

that can help to alkalize your body. Baking soda is also good.

Alka seltzer gold contains baking soda (ie sodium bicarbonate).

There are various lists of acidifying and alkalizing foods online

and books too, I imagine. They disagree on certain foods, but they

agree on most.

> That is I do not think the high alkaline reading that i got of 8.00

> was a true indication of my alkalinity and tend to believe the

> article below (that a paradoxical acidic internal environment caused

> this high alkaline reading, as once I stopped chelation round, my PH

> went down...no other foods/supplements were changed over these 3

> days )

I think you are probably right - your 8.00 reading does not really

mean your body is alkaline.

I would not rely on the story they tell at the alkalive website to

be an actual theory that will give you a complete sort of " process

model " that you can use to explain exactly what it means when your

urine is acidic or alkaline.

I would go more by symptoms to tell you whether you are too acidic.

I think the symptoms include things like tension, anxiety, aches and

pains, fast heart rate, constipation, and lots more.

> Per Response

> > Are you talking urine pH or saliva pH? If your urine pH is going

> > down, maybe it means you are starting to dump acidic wastes into

> > your urine? Don't know for sure, but it's a nice thought

>

> Per CURRENT POST

> ACTUALLY I THINK THESE READINGS MEANT THAT I BECAME LESS ACIDIC (OFF

> ROUND) EVEN THOUGH MY PH HAS GONE DOWN from 8.00 to 6.60,..IF THE

> INFORMATION FROM THE www.ALKALIVE IS CORRECT

I don't know and I don't think anyone knows for sure. I don't think

the information at alkalive is necessarily correct or complete. I

remember reading some related ideas - that a very alkaline urine pH

can occur when the body is very acidic. When your body is dumping

the acid wastes, this makes your urine acidic - that is a good thing,

but it doesn't mean your body has become alkaline, just that it is

dumping acids. Eventually when you have " alkalized yourself " your

urine pH would return to being more alkaline, at least some of the

time, just like it was before, but this time there aren't a lot of

acid wastes remaining in your body to be dumped. You would know that

because your symptoms were a lot better than in the beginning.

I'm not sure if that made sense, but my point is, you need to look

at the bigger picture, including symptoms, to know whether your body

is more acidic or alkaline. It takes a long time to " alkalize " and

then it is a process of maintaining a good diet to stay that way.

> Per Response

> > I get acidic on rounds, and also when I take certain anti-pathogen

> > treatments. My body odor gets really weird (sulfury-sweet), I

> > feel a little wheezy, and I get aches, especially in arms/hands.

> > thinks all of this is due to excess acidity. She suggested

> > alka-seltzer gold for this and it really helps a lot. I drink it

> > several times per day when the symptoms are bad.

>

> PER CURRENT POST MICHAEL

> WHAT SORT OF ANTI PATHOGEN TRETAMENTS IF YOU DO NOT MIND ME ASKING? I

> THOUGHT AN ACIDIC INTERNAL ENVIRONMENT WAS MORE INHOSPITABLE FOR THEE

> BEASTY BUGS

It seems to be the anti-parasite herbs that cause those symptoms for

me. I don't actually know what pathogens I've got. I suppose I

should get some more tests done.

The reason I mentioned the anti-pathogen stuff is that some of this

stuff creates acidic waste when it dies off. You mentioned that you

have had a positive test for lyme disease. I have read that lyme

bacteria create very acidic die-off toxins. So maybe part of the

reason you are acidic is due to that.

As to whether an acidic environment is more inhospitable for the

bugs, I really don't know.

> per Response

> > My urine pH is almost always around 7.0, so I don't even bother

> > measuring it anymore, it doesn't seem to tell me anything. All

> > I can say is my symptoms get better with the ASG, so I keep

> > chugging the stuff.

>

> Per THIS POST

> I GUESS I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TRY THIS ALKA SELTZER GOLD

It is worth a try if you haven't tried it yet. Andy recommends it

as a possible remedy for brain fog and for miscellaneous reactions

to things. FYI when I started chelating, I could not get past the

taste, it was totally horrible, but it tastes incredibly good to me

now. If it tastes bad to you that would be a sign that it isn't

the right balance of electrolytes for you. You could try some

baking soda first (which is just one ingredient of alka seltzer gold)

and see what that is like. Just mix a 1/2 teaspoon or so into water.

Whichever you try, take it between meals so it doesn't interfere

with your digestion by neutralizing your stomach acid.

--

[Guest guest]

Excellent information, Thank you

I think it is the paradoxical urine reading effect as this am, after

1 day of back on rounds, my urine pH is back to 7.60 (from 6.60)

indicating higher alkalinity BUT symptoms say otherwise ie higher

acidic environment

I did have the symptoms (yesterday Day 1 rounds) you refer to as

indicating acidic....anxiety, constipation, tension, head fog was

pretty bad, heart feeling sensitive, shortness of breath, very tired

and achey...

SO last night i loaded up on magnesium. anderson suggested I

take magnesium citrate tablets (2 at 170 mgs) with each dose of

chelation PLus 1 tablet of garapentin every second dose (if on the 3-

4 hr rounds) for I believe nerve pain. I had this pain yesterday sort

of sharp burning pains in legs and arms that would come and go

I have also noticed when I am in one of these funks (high

acidity?/fatigue, burning, constipation and anxiety days) that often

accompanies day 1 of first round or the last day of an off

round...that castor oil packs seem to cause more head fog and

burning...must be these toxins (acids) getting moved through the

liver/gallbladder

I tried the half teaspoon of baking soda this a.m. and will try to go

mainly green and fruits today to see what effect. However I am

feeling a lot better today than I was yesterday

I have heard this before wrt (with respect to) bug die off and your

comments re-affirm my thoughts that I should be doing something more

to clean up these neurotoxins from either mold/lyme or other

parasites. I also believe the chelation releases more of these beasties

into our system so its a double whammy

Hulda e recommends L-orinthine I believe to clear out ammonia

from die off...any luck with this??

and thanks for mentioning to take the baking soda away from meals to

minimize the elimination of acid needed for digestion