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Hi Colette,

My understanding is that a normal cycle for cortisol

is to start out high in the morning and then decline

throughout the day. When I was sick I had a normal

cycle but my levels were well below the normal ranges,

particularly in the morning. I had the same symptoms,

and also wished someone would give me cortisol, which

never happened.

Although your numbers are on the low end, it does seem

like they are still within the reference ranges. In

retrospect I am glad I toughed it out without

supplementing cortisol, because there can be

complications to getting off of it, and in the end I

got better (18 months after amalgam removal and 6

months after beginning chelation.)

Good luck,

Dave

--- cann7899 wrote:

> hi everyone,

>

> Background...23 rounds, ALA and DMSA. Frequent

> dose. Getting better

> slowly. A few things I have noticed. I always feel

> worse the first

> 1/2 of my cycle and feel better the second 1/2.

> This has been

> documented for months.

>

> Also I am tired in the afternoon. Don't seem to

> have much energy for

> more than the basics with a little bit of work. I

> did an adrenal

> panel two years ago and I start my day fairly normal

> and then plummet

> through the morning to the afternoon where I am at

> the low end of the

> range.

>

> I am on adrenal extracts- can't do licorice. Want

> to try cortisol

> but can't seem to get it yet...here are my test

> results. Any

> comments or insights would be welcome.

>

> DHEAS........9.3 .........3.0-11.0 within range for

> age

> Cortisol am 8.9 .........2.0-11.0

> noon cort 1.5 .........1.0-7.0 low end of range

> dinner cort 0.6 .........0.5-3.5 low end of range

> bedtime 0.7 .........0.2-1.3

>

>

> Should I be pushing for cortisol? Should I continue

> chelating with

> these results? Anybody with some experience with

> this?

>

> thanks in advance

> Colette

>

>

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These are saliva results?

You start out the day not bad, then start to crash. How is your diet? Do you

skip a lot of

meals? Are you eating frequently with adequate protein and fat?

Have you ever been tested for gluten intolerance?

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>

> These are saliva results?

==yes

>

> You start out the day not bad, then start to crash. How is your

diet?

===i eat no prepared foods, organic low sulfur, protein at all meals

small meals through out the day (8 am 11:30, 3pm 6pm)with hits of

protein for hypoglycemia.

Do you skip a lot of

> meals?

=====never

Are you eating frequently with adequate protein and fat?

===good protein with good fats, organic olive oil and butter.

>

> Have you ever been tested for gluten intolerance?

===yes about 8 months ago. as with many mercury folks my test came

back fine.

Good questions. Thank you!

>

>

>

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> > > Have you ever been tested for gluten intolerance?

> >

> > ===yes about 8 months ago. as with many mercury folks my test came

> > back fine.

>

> How were you tested? Certain methods have high false-negative rates.

Good question KerryAnn, It was initially a blood test, then I had to

drink a really sweet drink, wait and hour and then they took blood.

What are the best test for glucose? The saliva test I did was 4 point

cortisol.

Colette

>

> KerryAnn

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hi the glucose test is a glucose toleranace test and they often take insulin

levels at the same time can be done at any hospital lab in the us and u need an

md rx for it... the test usually takes a few hours unless like me the first time

they had to stop early ... the second glucose tolearnce test i took showed i was

prediabetic and now am a diabetic . but prediabetic doesnt gurantee u progress

to full diabetic. if a women has gestiional diabetes( diabetes of pregnancy)

than they have a higher risk of becoming a diabetic later in life. somish-----

Original Message -----From: cann7899 Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:08

pmSubject: Re: AdrenalsTo:

frequent-dose-chelation > >

>> > > > Have you ever been tested for gluten intolerance?> > > > > > ===yes

about 8 months ago. as with many mercury folks my > test came> > > back fine.>

> > > How were you tested? Certain methods have high false-negative > rates.>

Good question KerryAnn, It was initially a blood test, then I > had to > drink a

really sweet drink, wait and hour and then they took blood.> > What are the best

test for glucose? The saliva test I did was 4 > point > cortisol.> Colette>

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If you did this test 2 years ago and have thus been chelating

since...it's likely your adrenal state has changed. Chelating is

stressful to the adrenals and this is when the true adrenal fatigue

rears it's ugly head. 23 rounds is about when my son had to be put on

adrenal cortex, because his adrenal symptoms became obvious.

After personally using HC and adrenal cortex..honestly..I'd try the

natural cortex first. IF you see nothing good with it..then retest to

see if you really need HC. My dd's saliva was worse than this and she

is managing on adrenal cortex. I have been using the HC, but have had

issues getting the dose right, and side effects like weight gain that

I don't care for. Not to mention getting the stuff..it's not easy to

convince a doctor to give it you unless you have terrible cortisol

levels. Even then...if you're not Addison's..they don't want to give

it, which makes " finding it on your own a hassle " . So you'd want to be

absolutely sure you need it.

You can try adrenal cortex, Isocort (it's OTC too), Ashwaghanda,

Adreset by Metagenics, CorticoB5,B6, taking b complex a few times a

day...there are probably more things I forgot that help adrenals

function better.

>

> hi everyone,

>

> Background...23 rounds, ALA and DMSA. Frequent dose. Getting better

> slowly. A few things I have noticed. I always feel worse the first

> 1/2 of my cycle and feel better the second 1/2. This has been

> documented for months.

>

> Also I am tired in the afternoon. Don't seem to have much energy for

> more than the basics with a little bit of work. I did an adrenal

> panel two years ago and I start my day fairly normal and then plummet

> through the morning to the afternoon where I am at the low end of the

> range.

>

> I am on adrenal extracts- can't do licorice. Want to try cortisol

> but can't seem to get it yet...here are my test results. Any

> comments or insights would be welcome.

>

> DHEAS........9.3 .........3.0-11.0 within range for age

> Cortisol am 8.9 .........2.0-11.0

> noon cort 1.5 .........1.0-7.0 low end of range

> dinner cort 0.6 .........0.5-3.5 low end of range

> bedtime 0.7 .........0.2-1.3

>

>

> Should I be pushing for cortisol? Should I continue chelating with

> these results? Anybody with some experience with this?

>

> thanks in advance

> Colette

>

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I will assume this recent test was done while not on adrenal cortex.

Having been off of it for two weeks before testing.

=====Actually I was still on my adrenal cortex. Which makes me

concerned. It is either doing nothing or my body is really having

problems.

Your correct with

> the Isocort and adrenal cortex information. It makes a world of

> difference when you say your already on it.

In canada we can't get Isocort.

For some people, they do

> need HC. On the adrenal board they would probably tell you to try to

> extend your own cortisol with licorice. But I think you said you

were

> not able to take that.

===no I have a fast phase one liver so no licorice.

So then you'd try other herbal and vitamin

> support. Any way to get a ACTH stim test? To be sure your adrenal

> fatigue is not caused by pituitary?

====I can ask for the test. Good idea, thank you.

> It's probably not, or you'd have a lot of other hormone problems,

but

> they usually advise you rule out a pituitary problem before using

HC.

> Because this will tell you if you need to take it forever or just

for

> a while.

> Are you using celtic sea salt daily too?

===no, i use sea salt as regular salt but don't take it in a glass of

water in the morning.

> There is no thyroid problem right? That will cause these afternoon

> crashes too and will stress the adrenals further.

===no thyroid problems that i am aware of, my test came back normal

and i believe well in range

> For me I need a bit of HC and adrenal cortex. However, in

> hindsight...I'd like to be off the HC and am working towards that

so I

> can get some testing done. It helps my adrenal symptoms but not my

> weight! Before going on it, you have to be sure your going to be

able

> to get it regularly..you can't run out. It's one of those things

that

> needs to be weaned off of. There is always hydrocortisone cream. As

in

> Andy's book this can be used in place of HC pills.

===Thank you Jada. I am going to try and get another test. I also

wonder about doing more saliva testing off my ACE. I see my ND next

week and wanted to have some informtion and done some thinking about

this issue before I saw her.

Colette

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