Re: methionine in supps? Andy?

[Guest guest]

Has anyone searched onibasu? Or maybe one of you could ask Andy directly? Just

send him an email with this post number, and hopefully he'll answer when he has

time. I'm too busy myself.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation letsdetox wrote:

i don't know. He says it should not be used.

>

> As for the sulfur content of food, it's not simple. As discussed

here

> recently, is about how much sulfur is readily available. That's

> different from what you find when you do a chemical analysis of the

food.

>

> Is Andy saying that the methionine is out for everyone, or just for

> people who are high in sulfur?

>

> Dave.

> -------------------

> Posted by: " letsdetox " letsdetox@...

>> Tue May 6, 2008 6:52 am (PDT)

>

> One of my supplements has a little bit of methionine added to it.

> (depending on dosage that would be 5-20mg/day)

>

> It's not much but i am worried because Andy says methionine is one

of

> the 'forbidden' things. I looked up the methionine content of

various

> low sulphur foods and found they have much more than 20mg of

methionine

> in them.

>

> I now wonder now if it safe to take the supplement. Does andy have a

> conservative estimate on how much mg of methionine per pound would

be

> safe to supplement on a daily basis?

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

i did a search on onibasu but didn't find anything that would answer

my questions. Andy seems to believe that if methionine is used as a

chelating agent it is very dangerous and can make people horribly

worse. Some people with low plasma cysteine seem to be helped by it

if it's not used in large amounts however.

Also low sulphur foods do contain methionine but maybe there is a

difference between sulphur in food and the free form in supplements?

My brother met andy's counting rules and seems to be hg toxic. He

does not believe in hg toxicity and still has amalgams. He also takes

the same supplement with 10mg of l-methionine in it. I am worried

that he will harm himself doing this.

Or is 10mg/day harmless?

Unfortunately the whole sulphur thing is too complicated for me to

understand. Would be nice if anyone could explain this to me.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Well, you got all this right. What else do you want to know?

Your brother is in a chronic state of intoxication. When we are sick,

we tend to become less sensitive, as a self-protection mechanism. So,

if the methionine is having a bad effect, he may not even notice. I've

known toxic people who took 100s of mgs of ALA once a day, and didn't

even realize that it was doing them harm. They went slowly down hill,

to be sure, but they didn't see how f-ed up they were after taking the

ALA. I, on the other hand, miss one 25mg dose and I feel like I'm going

nuts. So. Of course, he may be low sulfur, in which case the

methionine would help; you just don't know. If you want a scale to get

some idea if 10mg is a lot or not, then look up how much NAC people are

giving their low-sulfur kids. Search on the A-M list with the

onibasu.com engine and you should find a number of parents doing this

for legitimate reasons (low plasma cysteine).

Dave.

PS. Show him the " Smoking Tooth " video. If he's willing to read, have

him read the 1928 paper by alfred stock, which you can find at

http://www.stanford.edu/~bcalhoun/amalgam.htm. You will also find an

interesting link to President Lincoln's intoxication there.

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Sat May 10, 2008 7:47 am (PDT)

i did a search on onibasu but didn't find anything that would answer

my questions. Andy seems to believe that if methionine is used as a

chelating agent it is very dangerous and can make people horribly

worse. Some people with low plasma cysteine seem to be helped by it

if it's not used in large amounts however.

Also low sulphur foods do contain methionine but maybe there is a

difference between sulphur in food and the free form in supplements?

My brother met andy's counting rules and seems to be hg toxic. He

does not believe in hg toxicity and still has amalgams. He also takes

the same supplement with 10mg of l-methionine in it. I am worried

that he will harm himself doing this.

Or is 10mg/day harmless?

Unfortunately the whole sulphur thing is too complicated for me to

understand. Would be nice if anyone could explain this to me.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

>

> i did a search on onibasu but didn't find anything that would answer

> my questions. Andy seems to believe that if methionine is used as a

> chelating agent

Here's a post where he says that " I don't think anyone has ever held

it (methionine) out as a chelator "

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/106840.html

> it is very dangerous and can make people horribly

> worse.

Here's a post where he says that " Many have tried it.

It doesn't do any good at all.

It does make some people really really sick though. "

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/90361.html

> Some people with low plasma cysteine seem to be helped by it

> if it's not used in large amounts however.

>

Not sure where you found that. Methionine and cysteine are two

different amino acids and I would not expect that methionine would

help people with low plasma cysteine.

> Also low sulphur foods do contain methionine but maybe there is a

> difference between sulphur in food and the free form in supplements?

>

There is a difference between the sulfur in methionine and the sulfur

in cysteine. Note from the structures below that cysteine has the SH

group free, on the end. That makes the SH group more readily

available to attract mercury and drag it around. Methionine has the

sulfur group one away from the end, so it is somewhat protected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methionine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cysteine

> My brother met andy's counting rules and seems to be hg toxic. He

> does not believe in hg toxicity and still has amalgams. He also takes

> the same supplement with 10mg of l-methionine in it. I am worried

> that he will harm himself doing this.

>

> Or is 10mg/day harmless?

>

I don't know. If you can't convince him that mercury is toxic I don't

know how much luck you will have convincing him to try some days

without the supplement and some days with to see if it bothers him.

I would be much more concerned about the mercury in his mouth than

about the methionine (jmo)

> Unfortunately the whole sulphur thing is too complicated for me to

> understand. Would be nice if anyone could explain this to me.

>

Sulfur attracts mercury. That is why sulfur is used to clean up

mercury spills. That is why chelators with two sulfur groups are used

to chelate mercury out of the body. Compounds with only one free

sulfur group (what we really mean is thiol group, or SH), like

cysteine, do not hold onto the mercury tightly enough to remove it

from the body. If toxic people who already have a high quantity of

cysteine available in their body put more in their body by eating

foods that are high in cysteine, the cysteine has a high collision

frequency with the mercury, moves it around a bit and that makes the

person feel sick. If people with low plasma cysteine eat sulfur foods

they don't usually have the same problem (or not to as great an

extent), because there is a lower collision frequency.

Methionine has the sulfur somewhat protected because it is one spot

away from the end of the molecule. If Andy says that it makes some

people sick, it must be so, because he has had the most experience

listening to various people tell him what they have done, what has

made them feel better, what has made them feel worse.

J

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> i did a search on onibasu but didn't find anything that would answer

> my questions. Andy seems to believe that if methionine is used as a

> chelating agent it is very dangerous and can make people horribly

> worse. Some people with low plasma cysteine seem to be helped by it

> if it's not used in large amounts however.

>

> Also low sulphur foods do contain methionine but maybe there is a

> difference between sulphur in food and the free form in supplements?

>

> My brother met andy's counting rules and seems to be hg toxic. He

> does not believe in hg toxicity and still has amalgams. He also takes

> the same supplement with 10mg of l-methionine in it. I am worried

> that he will harm himself doing this.

>

> Or is 10mg/day harmless?

Yes. This is not a significant amount.

>

> Unfortunately the whole sulphur thing is too complicated for me to

> understand. Would be nice if anyone could explain this to me.

>

> Thank you.

>