Re: Re: Mike---thyroid

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

Hi Jackie (or anyone who cares to respond), I sent this when you were

busy with other stuff. I was wondering if you might comment.

---------Hi Mike. Not that I'm an expert in this hormone stuff, but I will

comment on what I can.--------Jackie

--------Also, didn't you recently go to the doctor? Did you have any new

testing done? Because I see the numbers down below are from a year ago. Have

you been tracking your temps?---------Jackie

What's interesting is that it seems that my T3 is a below the middle

of the range, but the T4 and TSH are a bit above the middle of the

range. So might it be I have problems converting T4 to the active

form of T3?

--------Yes, this would make sense and is very possible. If your cells are

not getting enough T3 and it is actually low, then your brain sending out more

TSH to tell the thyroid to make more thyroid hormone would make sense,

explaining the higher TSH and T4.

And you may also be correct about you having trouble converting T4 to T3. I

will answer your question about selenium below.---------Jackie

If so this is probably related to what Andy says in his

book about selenium being bound up by mercury and selenium is what

helps to convert T4 to T3. So would giving Selenium a try be ok or

would it just be bound up? I bought some the other day and will

experiment, though I'm not sure how much as too much would be

problematic from what I understand as well.

----------Yes you are correct that selenium is needed to help convert T4 to

T3. I was also told this by a DO that I had seen, and he suggested trying

selenium first to see if it would help, before trying thyroid meds. So it is a

totally reasonable thing to try, with numbers like yours.

The DO told me to take 200-400 mcg /day, and in AI on page 162, Andy

recommends 50-300 mcg, and says it is something you may have to experiment with

and customize. And if some selenium is getting bound up by mercury, then you

need more to have it available to do the things it should be doing. And it

should be in the form of selenomethionine.

I am currently taking 200 mcg /day, plus another 100mcg in a multi, so a total

of 300mcg. So check your current supplements to see if they contain any, then

add however much more you want to try.

Also, have you ever had your ferritin checked? Your iron levels are also

supposed to affect your thryoid. In general, Andy doesn't suggest supplementing

with iron, but mine was *extremely* low, so it was ok for me.

And iodine and tyrosine are other thyroid supplements to consider. I think

has posted about them in the past. And of course adrenal support. You

need cortisol to get the thyroid hormone into your cells. So correcting some of

these other things might help correct your thyroid problems, without having to

use thyroid hormone, if things aren't too bad.---------Jackie

--------More below.

Thanks,

Mike

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> Saliva showed low within range Cortisol, except at night where it

was low out of range. Saliva DHEA was low just out of range.

----------I had both low all day cortisol and low DHEA, and

told me this was definitely a sign of adrenal fatigue, especially after hearing

about the stress I was under. She said my coritsol should have been much

higher. So that is a sign of worn out adrenals, having both low.--------Jackie

Melatonin

> was high out of range during the daytime, but normal at night and

> other parts of the day. I can't remember if I did thyroid saliva

> tests, I'll have to look.

--------I have never had my melatonin checked, so can't comment.----Jackie

>

> Here's the latest full results from blood work done 1 year ago,

April 2, 2007. (My comments)

>

> Thyroid tests:

> Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct, S 1.37 ng/dL range 0.61-1.76

> Triiodothyronine (T3), Free, Serum 2.7 pg/mL range 2.3-4.2 (Low,

but within range)

> TSH 2.174 uIU/mL range 0.350-5.50

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab <10 IU/mL range 0-34

> Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 IU/mL range 0-40

--------You want your Free T3 and T4 in the upper 1/3 - 1/4 of the range, so

your T4 could even be higher than it is, although it is definitely better than

your T3. Your TSH is creeping up, because your body is calling for more thyroid

hormone, so that all makes sense. The range for TSH is too wide, 5.5 is way too

high. Some labs use 3.5 now. And for many of us, TSH really doesn't mean much.

I had the thyroid antibodies, and my TSH was extremely low, and I was anything

buy hyperthyroid!

Anyway, trying some of the stuff suggested above would be fine to see if it

helps enough. Otherwise, you might want to consider thyroid hormone, as long as

you take care of adrenals first.---------Jackie

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> Testosterone:

> Testosterone, Free, Direct 11.5 pg/mL range 8.7-25.1 (Low, but

within range, what's strange is I have a high Total Testosterone. But

> something's binding it up?)

---------Not an expert on testosterone and the difference between Total and

Free, but I would think the Free is what matters. And the range you were given

might not be age dependent, so you may definitely be a little low. And DHEA is

a precursor to testosterone, and you mention it is a little low below, so it

might be a result of your lower DHEA, which is made in your adrenals. So

supplementing DHEA and/or treating your adrenals might help your testosterone

status.---------Jackie

>

> Cortisol:

> Corisol AM 19.8 ug/dL range 4.3-22.4 (High, but within range)

>

> DHEAS:

> DHEA-Sulfate 183 ug/dL range 120-520 (Low, but within range)

---------As I mentioned above, supplementing DHEA might help.------Jackie

>

>

> Some blood results from July 2005:

> T3 Free, 324, 230-420 PG/DL

> T-4 Free, 1.5, 0.8-1.8 NG/DL

> TSH, 1.61, 0.40-5.50 MIU/L

---------Probably not optimal, but not too bad looking either. Probably shows

the conversion problem from T4 to T3, even back then.-------Jackie

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