Re: antibiotics, chelation, lyme

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----------Jackie's comments below

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

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> > > 4. How about Blood Brain Barrier? Some antibiotics cross BBB. Is it

> > > possible that antibiotics may redistribute mercury while on

> chelation?

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> >

> > I don't know, but I don't see why they would. I have been highly

> > mercury toxic for most of my life and have never had any mercury type

> > symptoms while on antibiotics.

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> , but did you chelate while on antibiotic?

>

*****Yes. There were periods of time when I was chelating

continuously with low dose DMPS, kept chelating during illness (which

is not a good idea in general, but was determined to be best at that

time for me), and was taking antibiotics for the illness. I can't

recall which antibiotic, probably a penicillin related one. I took

Flagyl once as well, and I think I kept chelating through that too

(I'll have to think about it a while to remember for sure).

> The situation in my case is little bit more specific: Lyme Disease AND

> antibiotics AND very low-dose chelation.

>

****The type of antibiotic might make a difference. There is one

antibiotic that does give people problems (not because it does

anything to the mercury, there are other reasons that I can't recall),

but I can't recall the name. Jackie was on it once.

----------The one that gave me trouble was Levaquin. It is a flouroquinolone

antibiotic. I believe somebody explained to me once that there are four major

categories of antibiotics, and these flouroquinolones are the newest. Cipro is

also in that category. I'm sure there are others. There's even a Yahoo group

dedicated to people who have been harmed by these. They call themselves

floxies. If you search archives of these chelation groups using onibasu, you

should find some posts about this. I remember somebody giving some links, and I

remember " ARCTIC CAT " posting about it too.

Anyway, this was two years ago, and the first round of Levaquin, I seemed

fine. But then I was given a second round about 6 weeks later, and that's the

one that got me. You should find posts by me in archives about this with all

the details. But basically, it *felt* like a huge mercury redistribution, and I

went downhill after that with a huge regression, and honestly, I don't know if I

have ever felt the same since. I had asked Andy, but as far as he knew, it is

not a chelator. So I really don't know what happened to me, but it certainly

derailed me. In the floxie yahoo group, I think they said it just basically

takes time for the effects to wear off, and that they hadn't found any supps to

help. So I haven't followed them, and I just keep chelating. And I believe

they said the effects are cumulative, and everyone is different, so some react

to the first dose, and some takes more doses, like me, before having trouble.

Now, I have used other antibiotics, and haven't had problems, even since this

incident. I try to avoid antibiotics, but I had surgery last December, so had

to have some. Sorry, I don't remember the name of what they gave me, it was IV,

and I was fine, I just tell everyone *No Levaquin*!!----------Jackie

****For the specific case of Lyme, it would be best to ask Andy (with

the details of which antibiotic, dose, and duration of treatment plus

basis for the lyme diagnosis). The group owner, , also has been

collecting information about Lyme (I think he had it himself?), and

some of the information can be found at www.lymebook.com

-----------Yes, was gone by the time I joined, but that is my

understanding is that he chelated mercury first, and then addressed lyme, and

has even written book(s) about Lyme Disease. I think Andy even sells 's

books on his website too, so I would check those out.----------Jackie

**** J

> Be well,

> djur1

>

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> ----------The one that gave me trouble was Levaquin. It is a

flouroquinolone antibiotic. I believe somebody explained to me once

that there are four major categories of antibiotics, and these

flouroquinolones are the newest. Cipro is also in that category. I'm

sure there are others. There's even a Yahoo group dedicated to people

who have been harmed by these. They call themselves floxies. If you

search archives of these chelation groups using onibasu, you should

find some posts about this. I remember somebody giving some links,

and I remember " ARCTIC CAT " posting about it too.

>

> Anyway, this was two years ago, and the first round of Levaquin, I

seemed fine. But then I was given a second round about 6 weeks later,

and that's the one that got me. You should find posts by me in

archives about this with all the details. But basically, it *felt*

like a huge mercury redistribution, and I went downhill after that

with a huge regression, and honestly, I don't know if I have ever felt

the same since. I had asked Andy, but as far as he knew, it is not a

chelator. So I really don't know what happened to me, but it

certainly derailed me. In the floxie yahoo group, I think they said

it just basically takes time for the effects to wear off, and that

they hadn't found any supps to help. So I haven't followed them, and

I just keep chelating. And I believe they said the effects are

cumulative, and everyone is different, so some react to the first

dose, and some takes more doses, like me, before having trouble.

>

Hi Jackie - thank's for the information and sorry to hear about your

problems with Levaquin.

I know discussion group about fluoroquinolones toxicity. For me it

stays unclear why some people have bad reactions to it. Maybe some of

these bad reactions are due to triggering dormant infections and

releasing bacterial toxins?

(but on the other hand other antibiotics in your case were tolerated

well). Hard to say...

Even more strange is that first round with Levaquin was OK.

Just curious:

1. Did you chelate while on both courses of Levaquin or shortly after?

2. What was the dosage of Levaquin and for how many days?

3. What were the regression symptoms after 2nd round with Levaquin?

Thank's,

djur1