Re: Could we just be moving metals around?

[Guest guest]

-I am wondering if your 6 year old has any improvements

with glutathione and that is why the doctor recommends it>??

Does he have medical tests showing she is low in glutathione ??

If she , like me does has low gluathione levels , here is

my story , SOmething I just figured out and am happy to make

more sense of my experience.

Has she complained of any worsening of health ?? not only when

chelating as she may do well with DMSA , but between rounds??

In order to increase glutathione NAC is recommended , not

glutathione. Taking glutathione is not the way to raise these

levels.

What I have just read on page 204. " People with low liver

gluatathione should take NAC all the time, especially because

LA removes more gluatathione from the liver than normal. "

So while taking ALA gluatathione levels will be lowered even

more.

I also remember reading that something to do with glutathione

being necessary in order for the gallbladder bile .. Yes

found it on page 111 " If the glutathione conjugagtion is slow

it will slow the liver's excretion of heavy metals in the

bile.This is best corected with N-acetylcysteine. "

I am thrilled to hear this. I have noticed my liver getting

worse since taking the ALA rounds with the DMSA. And I did

notice that taking more NAC helped that symptom. So I guess

I need not worry about taking too much NAC.. I just look like

a pill popper junkie to my family and freinds and they are

going to have to live with it!!--LOL

So I wonder if your daughter is similar.. She is not excreting

the mercury that is being chelated. Chelation not only means

stirring up the stored metals but also making sure it is

excreted properly. If your daughter is lacking glutathione

maybe she is not excreting enough.

Just a thought.. NAnci

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " thedyes "

wrote:

>

> We have been chelating my 6 year old for 18 rounds 15mg DMSA and

12.5mg

> ALA. Her urine prophyrins test came back moderate mercury toxicity.

> Her doctor thought we might be just moving metals around instead of

> excreting them. She sugguested we use gluathione (sp?) cream. And

> maybe we need to change our method of chelating. Could we just be

> moving metals and not excreting and making her worse? She seems to

> tolerate the DMSA and ALA ok. We have seen some improved

behavior.

> Any thoughts ? Thanks Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

18 rounds is not very many. I know Andy says children respond fast

and I am unsure of what your daughter's health issues are, however,

my doctor gets frustated at the slowness of my improvement (and I

have improved a lot, but for her just not fast enough). I am wary of

the " not improving fast enough " mentality. This is not a fast

process.

I think the one worst thing we do is not stay for the long run. Andy

says that you need to keep at it. If you are seeing improvments it

is working. Low and slow will continue to improve her.

Andy does have a number of posts (you can search onibusa about

stalling or slowing down). He does suggest sometimes taking time

off. Are you doing 3 days on and 4 days off? You could also be in a

dumping phase -see illustration in AI pg 52. I made very little

progress during the dumping phase and I have done 27 rounds. Just

recently on this board there was discussion about not making

improvements and some of Andy's suggestions.

Andy does say this takes time. Do a search with andrewhallcutler in

the search line and you will see some posts where Andy addresses

these issues.

my 2 cents

Colette

>

> We have been chelating my 6 year old for 18 rounds 15mg DMSA and

12.5mg

> ALA. Her urine prophyrins test came back moderate mercury toxicity.

> Her doctor thought we might be just moving metals around instead of

> excreting them. She sugguested we use gluathione (sp?) cream. And

> maybe we need to change our method of chelating. Could we just be

> moving metals and not excreting and making her worse? She seems to

> tolerate the DMSA and ALA ok. We have seen some improved

behavior.

> Any thoughts ? Thanks Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

Is there a test to see what your glutathione levels are?

[Guest guest]

---Hi Dave and Shiela

I just wanted to point out that some of us don't get any detectable

mercury excretion in urine tests when chelating. I did a 24 hour urine

collection test earlier this year whilst on a round of DMSA and there

was no detectable mercury.And I am extremely toxic.

I was extremely dissapointed as this would have been great to show to

Doctors. But aparently, according to discussions on this board at that

time, this is actually quite common, especially amoungst the autistic

kids group.

In frequent-dose-chelation , Sherratt

wrote:

>

> Hi Sheila,

>

> Many people in this group, including myself, have had urine tests

with and without DMSA chelation. I did not pass any mercury when I

was not chelating and passed amounts above the reference levels when I

was chelating.

>

> I have heard more detailed but similar results from many others on

this board. If your doctor doubts that DMSA chelates mercury, a urine

test would be the quick and easy way to confirm what is well known

about DMSA (i.e., that it increases mercury excretion in urine).

>

> Good luck,

>

> Dave

>