Re: Mike---thyroid

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie (or anyone who cares to respond), I sent this when you were

busy with other stuff. I was wondering if you might comment.

What's interesting is that it seems that my T3 is a below the middle

of the range, but the T4 and TSH are a bit above the middle of the

range. So might it be I have problems converting T4 to the active

form of T3? If so this is probably related to what Andy says in his

book about selenium being bound up by mercury and selenium is what

helps to convert T4 to T3. So would giving Selenium a try be ok or

would it just be bound up? I bought some the other day and will

experiment, though I'm not sure how much as too much would be

problematic from what I understand as well.

Thanks,

Mike

> > ---------Well, isn't that there answer for everything, (except

> when they think or blame it on depression!). Stress affects your

> adrenals, and I believe adrenals causes *fluctuating* temperatures,

> not that they would know anything about that either! Sorry, on a

> little doctor rant -----------Jackie

> >

>

> I agree.

>

>

> > ---------Sorry if I can't remember if we've discussed this

> before, but have you read about adrenals and thyroid at Dean's

> website? He seems to sum it up pretty well. And I would

definitely

> read the 's Temperature Syndrome website, if you haven't

> already. Dean has a link for that too. Maybe you could find a

> doctor who follows the protocol?

> >

> > Have you done saliva testing for adrenals, and have you tested

> free T3 and free T4 for thyroid? Your steady low body temps

> qualifies you for the 's protocol though, I would think, if

you

> can find a doctor who does it.------Jackie

> >

> > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/dentalnetwork/index.html

> >

> > http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/

> >

> > http://www.drrind.com/

> >

> > I would do more reading before Friday, and see what you can get

> this doc to do, if anything!---------Jackie

> >

>

> I went to the drrind website and I don't seem to fit in any of the

> scales. For 4/2/2007 My T4 is just above optimal (+1), T3 is below

> optimal (-3) and my TSH is just above optimal (+1). For 7/14/2005

My

> T4 is above optimal (+2), my T3 is optimal, and my TSH is optimal.

> So it appears that I'm having a hard time converting to T3 or

perhaps

> it's mostly RT3?

>

> I'll see what he says, can't remember if I talked about temps with

> him before.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh no...cortisol does not convert T4 to T3. Cortisol enables unbound

T3 thyroid hormone to enter cells and work at the cellular level. If

your adrenals are not up to par, thyroid hormone cannot do its work

at the cellular level. Your body can convert to all the T3 it wants

but without the right amount of cortisol, T3 (the working thyroid

hormone), will not enter the body at the cellular level where it is

required and needed. T3 will just sit in the blood stream, and create

hyper symptoms. I would guess this is what is being called " Thyroid

Dump " . With these hyper symptoms, many doctors will lower thyroid

hormone, whereas in reality, the body is crying out for more hormone,

but the body is unable to use what it has due to lack of cortisol to

enable thyroid hormone to enter the body at the cellular level and do

its job. Whew.... Thus adrenal issues need to be addressed before

addressing thyroid hormone not because cortisol converts T4 to T3 but

becasue it enables thyroid hormone to enter the body at the cellular

level. Mainly selenium and iodine aid thyroid conversion of T4 to T3.

To compound this problem thyroid blood testing does not show what is

going on at the cellular level. It just shows what is in the blood

stream at the time of the blood draw which could very well show high

Free T3 (FT3), lower Free T4 (FT4), but this does not mean FT3 is

being absorbed at the cellular level where it's needed. Just thought

I would try and clear this up. I would think Mike with a lower FT3

and a higher FT4 (I assume you are talking about frees here),

selenium would be worth a try to aid conversion. Just be aware that

thyroid conversion might be aided and increased and hopefully your

cortisol is sufficient for entry of thyroid hormone at the cellular

level or perhaps also an adjustmnet of thyroid hormone might be

recommended. Taking just T3 without propper testing could also create

thyroid storm, which believe me through experience is no picnic. JMHO

as you have to decide for yourself what is needed. Here is a site

that might help you understand this process along with a small

segment pertaining to low cortisol causing excess thyroid hormone in

the blood stream.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

" But cortisol also plays an important role for you as a thyroid

patient. Namely, it helps cell receptors receive thyroid hormones

from the blood to the cells. On the other side of the coin, low

cortisol can result in high amounts of thyroid hormones to build in

the blood, making your free T3 and/or free T4 labs look high in range

with continuing hypo symptoms, or causing hyper-like symptoms on

doses of Armour which shouldn't produce those symptoms. The latter

can include anxiety or nervousness, light-headedness, shakiness,

dizziness, racing heart, sudden weakness, nausea, feeling hot, or any

symptom which seems like an over-reaction to Armour, but are in

reality low cortisol symptoms. Low cortisol can also keep you

hypothyroid with hypo symptoms "

Have a great day everyone. V, a long time hashimotos thyroid

patient along with celiac and lyme disease.

> >

> > What's interesting is that it seems that my T3 is a below the

middle

> > of the range, but the T4 and TSH are a bit above the middle of

the

> > range. So might it be I have problems converting T4 to the

active

> > form of T3?

> >

> > So would giving Selenium a try be ok ?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Mike

>