DMPS feedback - doug

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>

> OMG!!!! What a hell night! Background information then questions - i

> hope you all can share some insights and feedback.

>

> I completed round five last night with a 10 PM dose of 12.5 mg

DMPS.

> Round one I tried 3 days on, seven days off. I felt really great

with

> no side effects whatsoever. The next two rounds I tried seven days

on

> seven off. I began to notice some side effects which I described in

> earlier post - mostly inflammation issues. For rounds four and

five I

> switched to a schedule of five on, five off so that the schedule of

> " on " and " off " days would change week to week. During these last

two

> rounds I began to notice some gastric discomfort (heartburn - very

> uncommon for me)

and much more urgency and frequency with bladder and

> bowels.

TK--- common DMPS side effect

I am sensing that I've got a pretty active yeast overgrowth

> going on but I am not sure that it is related to the above issues.

TK--- maybe maybe not - dmps does not exacerbate yeast issues like

dmsa and ala can.

>

> I know that Andy has repeated on more than one occasion that DMPS

does

> NOT cause broad spectrum mineral depletion like EDTA for example

TK--- neither does ala or dmsa

, but

> towards the end of my rounds my bowels certainly behave as if I am

> dosing regularly with Epsom salts

TK--- dmps can do this for certian individuals and at different times

- which could indicate a CAL/MAG

> imbalance.

> Has anyone else experienced similar?

TK--- yes it is the dmps for me.

> I get relief of symptons when when I drink way more water than I

would

> characterize as normal for me. Of course, then I am running for the

> rest room every 60-90 minutes.

>

> Now, about last night.

>

> Dinner at 8:30 was whole grain DeBoles pasta

TK---pasta is not recommended if you have yeast problems, you need to

cut out simple carbs like this to help keep it under control.

with a tomato sauce,

> including wheat meat (we are lacto/ovo vegetarians)and a healthy

dose

> of fresh oregano from the garden and a side of steamed brocoli. I

> also had what for me was a large glass of red wine (about 4 oz). I

> felt really hammered by fatigue immediately afterwards.

TK--- wine has sulfites in it that can cause bad reactions for some

of us. Brocoli is a high sulfer food. A lot of us that are toxic

can not handle alcohol as it is too much for our overburdened livers.

Stop drinking especially while chelating.

I had ridden

> bike around 6PM for 3-4 miles and by 9:30 I felt an unusual amount

of

> stiffness/inflammation in my quads. I was in bed at 10 PM which is

> when I took my last dose of DMPS (6AM/2PM/10PM schedule).

>

> I woke shortly after midnight with a deep aching,cramp in my right

> shoulder, in the upper latissmus, near the neck. My quad muscles

also

> felt unusually inflammed and if I even began to stretch any sore

> muscles, they began to cramp.

TK--- you may have tried to do too much while chelating. exercise

mobilizes Hg

> The right shoulder is the site of a work-related overuse injury so

> soreness and stiffness there is not uncommon. What was uncommon was

> the degree of discomfort and nerve involvement. It was as if a deep

> burning ache in my shoulder was pulsing up nerve pathways throughout

> my body but especially to my stomach and brain. The pain was not so

> much sharp, but deep and pervasive, so much so that it made me

> nauseous at times.

>

> I could not find a comfortable prone position, and my physical

> discomfort was mirrored by waves of psycological discomfort - panic

> and anxiety. I took a hot shower to try and relieve the muscle

> tension, used a trans-dermal analgesic pad (which seemed to make

> things worse not better). Tried to sleep, could not. Took a hot

salt

> bath (sea salts, baking soda); gobbled a days worth of minerals

(Krebs

> cycle chelates)with organic plain yogurt, tried to read - but really

> couldn't focus.

> Around 2:30 AM I started having bowel movements. There have been

five

> since, each one looser than the one before. I did doze off around 5

> AM. Symptoms began to recede right around 6AM.

>

> Has anyone using DMPS experienced anything like this before?

> I think the cramping, spasming in the shoulder may have caused acute

> irritation along the path of the cranial nerve CN XI which runs all

> the way down to the stomach and up into the brain. It was pretty

scary.

>

> I have noted the signs of a persistent low grade yeast overgrowth

this

> last round (itchy feet, irritation in urinary tract, disbyosis)

> perhaps there was a severe yeast overgrowth fueled by dropping a

dose

> of dmps into 4oz of red wine? Could this have caused the symptoms

above?

>

> Feeling better now, just residual stiffness. Took some more minerals

> with emphasis on zinc to offset any potential copper imbalance.

> I searched for posts on copper metabolism and DMPS. Can anyone

post a

> a direct link regarding this?

>

> I would like to note that in general, my first five rounds have

been a

> success by my standards. Up until last night, the side effects

could

> would most accurately be described as minor irritants, which

diminish

> between rounds. And the benefit has been that nearly complete

absence

> of the chronic psychological symptoms I have been battling for

> six/seven years.

>

> Any and all feedback appreciated.

TK--- I would suggest: Not drinking at all & especially with

medications, no wine because of sulfites, reduce simple carbs and

work on yeast problem, go back to shorter rounds.

>

> Doug

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